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Video Spurs Voter Registration Flap

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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:44:10 AM
@mark: Actually, there's still even more that I can attack here (you gave me a lot of material to work with).

When I proved your defendants were not voters

You did not prove this. You showed that they were not voting, but you did not prove that they were not voters. They are voters, and your statement here is incorrect because of that fact.

Furthermore, using your own logic, you are both "changing your stance" and "shape shifting".

The New Black Panthers stated before the election that they would deploy 300 poll watchers across the United States.

A black man standing in front of a poling place beating a night stick against his hands hits me as voter intimidation.

Well which is it? You first try to imply that they were merely security, then you say you think it hints at voter intimidation. Quit changing your stance.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:31:35 AM
@mark: I have had one main unchanged stance that it was thrown out because no voters came forward to say they were intimidated. You said that I was incorrect.

Here is yet another example of you saying something that is INCORRECT. You meant to say something else, but the words you wrote down are wrong.

To prove that statement incorrect, I need to show that someone came forward who was both a voter and claimed he/she was intimidated.

First part, let's prove that the man who came forward was a voter. He is a citizen over 18 with no felony record. Therefore, he is a voter. Perhaps he was not voting, but he is a voter.

Next part, he directly claims to have been intimidated. Done.

See? Again, you meant to say more, but you didn't. The literal statement you've provided is logically incorrect.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:26:38 AM
@mark: OK; here is what is wrong with your comments and here is why I am correct:

"At no point IN THAT POST did I say that YOU were wrong"

See now? I highlighted it for you. The example you provide is from a much earlier post, not the post being referenced here.

Next, here is your statement:

Funny how not one single voter came forward to say they had actually been intimidated

So your logical argument is composed of two pieces: not a single voter came forward; and no person came forward claiming they had been intimidated.

I presented a person who IS A VOTER (how can you claim he is not a voter??) AND claimed that he was intimidated. You need to rephrase your statement because, what you said is INCORRECT.

You meant that "no person came forward and claimed that they directly suffered from voter intimidation." You did not say this.

You're wrong and that's why.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:17:31 AM
"Next, you stated that not a single voter came forward and I disagreed. I gave evidence that a US citizen (therefore a voter) came forward and stated that he was intimidated. I DID NOT claim that he was voting at that time, nor that he was intimidated away from voting. I stated that, a) he is a voter (this is true), and that b) he was intimidated (sworn testimony). "

Jesus Christ shape shifter. I'm out of here.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:15:38 AM
"How did you arrive at the conclusion that I've changed my stance? If by "change in stance" you mean present a clear and definite logical path, then I'll submit as guilty right now."

I have had one main unchanged stance that it was thrown out because no voters came forward to say they were intimidated. You said that I was incorrect. When I proved your defendants were not voters you changed this to you feel the evidence is voter intimidation. You do this all the time. Not as bad as CrakrJak.

"At no point in that post did I say that YOU were wrong"

Really? "I'm sure you know that I will admit when I'm wrong, but I am not in this matter; you are incorrect." This is the problem with being shifty is you can't keep track of the spin.


McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12719 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:10:13 AM
@markust123

Oh ya and in the video I linked that's his walking stick right?? ROFL!!

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:06:13 AM
@mark: Again, I have not yet changed my stance.

First, I at no point stated that there was a LEGAL case. I stated that I believe I crime was committed. I have stated nothing that contradicts this point of view.

Next, you stated that not a single voter came forward and I disagreed. I gave evidence that a US citizen (therefore a voter) came forward and stated that he was intimidated. I DID NOT claim that he was voting at that time, nor that he was intimidated away from voting. I stated that, a) he is a voter (this is true), and that b) he was intimidated (sworn testimony).

Once again, you are extrapolating more from my words than was written. If you read through my posts again, you will see that I am consistent and accurate.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:04:57 AM
"Obviously the poster is photoshopped it's call humor"

Its not humor if you have to explain that it was meant to be funny.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:02:26 AM
@mark: This is why I don't like talking with people like you. Every rebuttal is a change in stance.

How did you arrive at the conclusion that I've changed my stance? If by "change in stance" you mean present a clear and definite logical path, then I'll submit as guilty right now.

I understand that YOU stated that the poster was invalid; that's cool man. I stated that the video has been received as legitimate; that's pretty cool too. At no point in that post did I say that YOU were wrong, merely that there is evidence that supports the opposite of your implications.

This is how a debate works. One side provides evidence to support their claim(s). The other side then has the option to provide their own evidence, or attempt to disprove/discredit the other sides evidence...

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12719 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:59:41 AM
@markust123

Obviously the poster is photoshopped it's call humor this on the other hand is real.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:59:39 AM
How come one man out of 300 people the NBP sent to the polls is turned into a year long story on Fox? This was clearly a case of one bad apple. Why does Fox have to lie and say it represents the whole group? And I am not sticking up for the NBP. I think they are a hate group.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:59:19 AM
"I'm arguing that the evidence, in my opinion, strongly suggests that this was voter intimidation. I mean honestly, it's the first time there is a black man on the ballot and a member of the NBPP shows up at the polling center with a billy-club. Two plus two equals four even if it isn't written down."

Again you are changing your stance. But I agree. A black man standing in front of a poling place beating a night stick against his hands hits me as voter intimidation. Even if it was a mostly all black polling place. He was removed and no voters came forward to say they were intimidated so there was no case.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:52:46 AM
"There's a video out that was submitted as evidence that clearly shows ONE member with a billy club."

This is why I don't like talking with people like you. Every rebuttal is a change in stance. It's like trying to argue with water. No one is saying the guy didn't have a night stick. I was saying the poster is a clear fabrication. The same as the lie that this was case was decided to be thrown out under Obama.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:27:08 AM
@mark: Also the nightsticks photoshopped into that poster were really done poorly. Not even the poster is the truth. Kind of wraps up this whole argument.

There's a video out that was submitted as evidence that clearly shows ONE member with a billy club.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:26:01 AM
@mark: I think we are debating on two different principles... From what I gather, you are arguing that there was no LEGAL case to be made; I agree (if a rape victim does not come forward, then there is no legal case to be had). Without someone directly accusing the aggressor every other piece of evidence is either heresay or speculation; the case was wisely dismissed.

I'm arguing that the evidence, in my opinion, strongly suggests that this was voter intimidation. I mean honestly, it's the first time there is a black man on the ballot and a member of the NBPP shows up at the polling center with a billy-club. Two plus two equals four even if it isn't written down.

Consider a different crime; just because a rape victim does not accuse her attacker does not mean that rape did not occur.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:24:05 AM
Also the nightsticks photoshopped into that poster were really done poorly. Not even the poster is the truth. Kind of wraps up this whole argument.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:09:30 AM
"Hmmm wonder why the charges were dropped??? Watch for more of the same this November."

Uh, because no voters came forward to say they were intimidated. Also it was decided to drop this under the Bush administration. Not sure how many times it takes to say a truth before it gets through a lie.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:05:52 AM
"... and the Seahawks touchdown was BS."

I absolutely 100% agree. I was there. It happened on the other side of he field. We were going nuts. When I got home though I watched the replay and there was no doubt Jennings had full control of the ball. Someone is getting fired today,

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:58:53 AM
Sorry HumanAction but that person was not a voter. It can not be voter intimidation if you are not a voter. There had to be voters come forward not poll watchers. And zero voter came forward to say they were intimidated. The poll watchers can be a bunch of partisan wackos. The New Black Panthers prove that. Why do you trust yours more? That is the question.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10116 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:28:18 AM
pissing match over who's supporters are bigger idiots.


Wow, not enough facepalm to go around for the idiots in that video. That's a LOT worse than Leno's Jaywalking segments.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12719 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:21:41 AM


Hmmm wonder why the charges were dropped??? Watch for more of the same this November.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12719 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:18:43 AM
Does anyone see the irony in MacGuffins babble considering the UK still supports royalty and gives them top military rank for a position not elected by the peopl but by god? As for invasion of privacy the UK leads the world in mass surveillance next time your there count how many cameras you see on the streets.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:16:47 AM
@mark: Sworn statement by Christopher Hill...

"... but it was without question that they sought to intimidate me from entering the polling place ..."

Are poll watchers not valid as voters for some fantastic reason? They are still citizens and are allowed to vote. I'm not sure how these two concepts are failing to meet your standard.

... and the Seahawks touchdown was BS.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Monday, September 24, 2012 10:45:46 PM
I have to take back the last line of my comment. I just watched the instant replay. There is no doubt in my mind that Green Bay intercepted. How did that get called for the Seahawks? I would be so pissed if I was a Packers fan.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11737 Posts
Monday, September 24, 2012 10:05:22 PM
Yeah, she's an idiot, but trust me, you libs DON'T want to get into a pissing match over who's supporters are bigger idiots.

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