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 UserIDTaken9
Male, 18-29, Western US
 52 Posts
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Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:25:11 PM
Even if it's called a tip, if it's stated as required on the menu it's simply part of the price and needs to be paid. That being said, false imprisonment is still illegal. |
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 Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6298 Posts
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Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:01:22 AM
Breach of contract? Dunno matter of law, but there is definitely a civil/criminal case of false imprisonment. |
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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10208 Posts
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Tuesday, May 15, 2012 11:03:03 AM
@8BitHero
That cause your job is considered menial labor tons of sales jobs do something like tips called commission. |
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 8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
5417 Posts
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Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:45:06 AM
I have a job in which I work in a freezer for 12 from 6pm to 6am and I'm 21. If I do a good service should I get more? Why don't retail workers get ti[s for going to the stock to see if there is stock of a pair of shoes etc? If you get pissed off about not getting a tip then you're pretty much a lazy arse hat who has no motivation to work, especially considering other people have much harder jobs.
"Oh no that one person didn't tip me so now I hate their guts blah blah blah! But all other 50 people I served that night did tip me giving me roughly an additional £100" Boohoo.
You're supposed to be doing a good job anyway. |
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 jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
3057 Posts
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Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:18:14 AM
I worked as a bartender and server ages ago, and they also had a policy of adding the tip to large parties, but, a manager would always make a point of visiting the table before the bill was presented, and there were complaints, we couldn't addd the tip. That's how it should be done, folks. |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10208 Posts
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Tuesday, May 15, 2012 6:41:00 AM
Servers who work where no one tips have no motivation to serve well. The longest wait for food in my life was in Canada leave a tip ya cheap f**ks. |
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 EgalM
Male, 18-29, Canada
1667 Posts
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Tuesday, May 15, 2012 6:00:30 AM
I once went to an Indian(Asian kind), the charged 20% tip after the meal, it was a buffet, and they brought us a glass of water each. I was pissed, but I payed it and will never return. The food sucked anyways, it was all done with pretty much the same curry, so it all tasted the same. |
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photomstr
Male, 50-59, Canada
767 Posts
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Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:58:06 AM
The hell they'd detain me! But then I don't live in 'merca |
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 OnlineAgain
Female, 40-49, Southern US
97 Posts
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Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:36:52 AM
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from now on I will definitely be checking the entrances and menus for the fine print! |
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OnlineAgain
Female, 40-49, Southern US
97 Posts
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Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:36:10 AM
Dear God/Heavens/Flying Spaghetti Monster!!!
I agree with kingdomCome in that if it's not optional it should be called a "service charge" by the restaurant. It obviously has nothing to do with "gratuity" by definition.
I'm easy to please when I dine out and I'm very appreciative of good service. I don't even care if the server is "bubbly" or not. I tip based on the server's politeness and willingness and I take into consideration that there are lots of things that may be out of their control. (Not too long ago I ate at a restaurant where the host/greeter and the manager overstepped their boundaries and made us feel uncomfortable and the food was blah- but the server was extremely courteous, conscientious and helpful so I tipped him well as he rightfully deserved.)
So, like Buidah said:
"Compulsory tips? Ridiculous."
I've never seen this kind of "gratuity by policy" (or could I have missed it?) but |
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 avail9988
Male, 18-29, Australia
621 Posts
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Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:28:09 AM
Whats a tip? |
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 mon360
Male, 13-17, Southern US
741 Posts
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Monday, May 14, 2012 10:22:37 PM
i would break the window, i don't care if i could go out the back! |
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 mvangild
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
528 Posts
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Monday, May 14, 2012 8:59:12 PM
lawlcats, the rules are different in the US. Wait staff is paid less than minimum wage because it is expected that tips will make up the rest of their wages. By US Federal law, the minimum wage for wait staff is $2.13/hour.
Usually, the places I go to have a rule that parties of 8 or more have to pay a mandatory gratuity of 15%. Pardon the pun, but this place sounds kind of fishy. |
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 lawlcats
Male, 18-29, Canada
10 Posts
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Monday, May 14, 2012 7:22:34 PM
I don't believe in tipping unless the service is absolutely stellar (and I can only think of 2 times off the top of my head when it was and I gave a $10 tip on a $20 dollar meal both times)
For me, I work a minimum wage job and I do not get tips no matter how great my customer service is (in fact it is illegal for me to accept tips as the government takes it as a form of bribery) so why should they? And yes, they do get paid less but I do not agree that they should (although I know some that make a higher base wage than I do)
As for this story, they should have paid as per the policy. Get locked in? No. |
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 the_windy
Female, 18-29, Canada
1569 Posts
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Monday, May 14, 2012 7:21:30 PM
I wouldn't have argued. I would just pay the full bill and never eat there again. It's too much effort and a waste of time. |
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 RdDan
Male, 30-39, Europe
663 Posts
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Monday, May 14, 2012 4:37:01 PM
If anyone locked me in a restaurant i'd just leave through the fire exit |
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 ManaSama
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
11 Posts
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Monday, May 14, 2012 4:33:34 PM
Usually it's for parties over 8 people. I can understand that, but 6? That's like two families getting something to eat. Why would you make it 17% for 6 people? Unless the meals are about 2.00 each. I don't see a very long future for this restaurant. |
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 greenbasterd
Male, 18-29, Canada
2132 Posts
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Monday, May 14, 2012 4:19:42 PM
ya htey do that because when the bill comes and its 200+$ everyone always looks at a 20$ tip and ggoes that good enough.. and it is in my opinion... but its not 15%.. just seems liek a really good tip |
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 simbha
Male, 30-39, Southern US
396 Posts
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Monday, May 14, 2012 3:20:56 PM
My take...
1. If it's listed on the menu, they should be required to pay it (see below, though...)
2. The restaurant should not be allowed to detain them UNLESS they are actively pursuing getting law enforcement involved for theft of service or something equivalent. I can't tell from the video if the restaurant waited an inordinate amount of time before calling law enforcement.
3. If a restaurant is allowed to mandate and enforce a 'gratuity', then patrons should also be given the right to seek redress in a court of law for their grievance of having money taken without the performance of a service.
4. I'd much rather that restaurants pay a living wage to their employees and not mandate tips. I wouldn't mind the base price of my meals being higher than it is now, and I'd likely pay the same total as I am today. |
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 StSusieB
Female, 18-29, Southern US
15 Posts
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Monday, May 14, 2012 3:14:57 PM
You can totally tell where everyone who commented is from based on their responses...
Besides, America isn't the only place with weird restaurant rules and etiquette. Have European countries never heard of Free Refills? And the sizes for drinks are ridiculous... I can finish off my water or iced tea in about two gulps... |
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 mzacur
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
112 Posts
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Monday, May 14, 2012 3:05:39 PM
Tipping is and should always be conditional. If you did well at your job, or entertained me with more conversation than "WE DONT HAVE COKE, ONLY PEPSI!", than I will tip you well. No one should ever demand a tip, thats like demanding respect from someone. If you have to ask for it, you probably dont deserve it anyways.
I dont care if you get paid less than minimum wage, and rely on those tips to make a living wage. The fact that employers can manipulate your wages as a server to the point where you are getting screwed, makes it totally insane why anyone would ever take these jobs ever. Either do your job well, or find another job. |
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uatme
Male, 18-29, Canada
790 Posts
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Monday, May 14, 2012 3:00:04 PM
I guess its called a gratuity because you pay for something that is normally free? And dont most restaurants give discounts to large groups not extra fees? |
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nettech98
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
834 Posts
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Monday, May 14, 2012 2:32:11 PM
Tipping in the US is not like tipping anywhere else it seems. Most places the wages are reduced and made up by tips. From Wikipedia:
"Laws in the states of Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington require all employees to be paid at least minimum wage. However, it is still customary to give standard tips in those places. Elsewhere, wage laws allow employers to credit an amount of earned tips against the minimum wage, allowing them to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage. As of September 2009, this reduction can be as low as $1.45 per hour in West Virginia, or as high as 100% in Virginia, reducing potential wages to $5.80 or $0 per hour, respectively." |
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 SethDog
Male, 18-29, Australia
462 Posts
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Monday, May 14, 2012 2:21:10 PM
Tipping is MORONIC! |
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 Pyrosisflame
Male, 18-29, Europe
589 Posts
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Monday, May 14, 2012 2:08:31 PM
if you want to be paid X amount for the food, charge X amount. im not going to pay some waitress a tip just because i dined at their restaurant. they get paid, they have a job. i don't get tips for welding or putting up cable trunking. i mean if they wipe my ass on request i might, i'd tip for that. |
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