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 Coulsoooon
Female, 18-29, S. America
 11 Posts
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Saturday, September 08, 2012 12:38:59 PM
The reason why supposedly 2% of the population can't solve this, is not because they are not smart enough, but because they are not patient enough. |
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 SFVitale
Male, 40-49, Western US
441 Posts
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Monday, August 06, 2012 2:56:53 PM
Einstein, Schmine-stein, hey, anybody got an anchovy sandwich? This f’in puzzle took over an hour. And I can tell ya, if Einstein really thought he was in a green house in Germany, drinking coffee, smoking Prince, and eating his squirming pet goldfish between slices of pumpernickel, he was suckin the gas pipe a bit too much again. Still, gotta love his cranium. |
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 mooz
Female, 40-49, Canada
10 Posts
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Thursday, July 05, 2012 11:53:05 PM
easy it says they all own THE SAME pet .. thus they all are owners of the same fishy |
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 brreighty
Male, 18-29, Southern US
1 Posts
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Monday, July 02, 2012 11:22:18 AM
Look, if you're lazy like I am, you would've made a conclusion after the first sentence. Einstein was born in the late 19th century. |
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 badpolitics
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
24 Posts
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Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:12:57 AM
Swedish Fish are tastee! |
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 ejp1087
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
6 Posts
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Monday, May 14, 2012 7:25:10 PM
It took me a about an hour and half, but I solved it: The German owns the fish :) |
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UserIDTaken9
Male, 18-29, Western US
52 Posts
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Monday, May 14, 2012 7:48:28 AM
I did this a while ago, but the hints aren't written to remove ambiguity if someone thinks the answer is to nit pick (which may be what he meant). However, if you make the following logical assumptions there is only one possible result, and it's a pretty fun riddle if you like this type of thing.
NKaminski, this is the same type of problem as the matrix ones, however it is organized slightly differently (with 6 variables: Nationality, Beverage, Tobacco, Pet, House Location and House Color) so a different diagram is required.
ASSUMPTIONS:
Each person has only one pet and one of those pets is a fish,
The green house is DIRECTLY on the left of the white house (I honestly can't be sure I am remembering this correctly, the assumption may not need to be made), and
that the last clue refers to a next-door neighbor. |
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 NKaminski
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
28 Posts
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Sunday, May 13, 2012 11:57:53 PM
This is a matrix problem. We used to do them in elementary school. You have to set up a matrix comparing all people on the Y axis to all choices on the X axis. Using marks to indicate who cannot be what and who IS what, you use deductive reasoning to determine the answer. The order of the houses is an interesting problem, though, and I can't seem to organize my matrix correctly. |
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STEVE032
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
11 Posts
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Sunday, May 13, 2012 7:47:21 PM
drat it. I'm done. |
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darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
1634 Posts
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Sunday, May 13, 2012 7:02:23 PM
Go ahead flip them. Green + White won't work.
on/to the left is not the same as directly to the left (or next door on the left). again, if you would've read the thread:
"eg sally is taller than jake, mike is shorter than sally, jake is the shortest;" thus height is Sally > Mike > Jake
again, your answer is based primarily on assumptions |
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STEVE032
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
11 Posts
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Sunday, May 13, 2012 11:28:30 AM
Ya, it stated the Norwegian lives in the first house, now based on that clue try and place the Norwegian on the right side. If you were at all competent and didn't have your head up your a**, you'd realize that the clue's give all the houses placement as long as you follow them. I didn't assume off the bat that the Norwegian is on the left. I read the other clues and placed him on the left instead of the right, just like the rest of the houses. Each house shares a relationship with his neighbor(s) that puts him in a specific spot, one that when flipped (12345 vs 54321) wouldn't work. Go ahead flip them. Green + White won't work.
And like I said before, the paragraph is a GIVEN. It gives direction for the constraints that follow. Take away the paragraph and you have nothing. You arrange the houses and all you get is the same answer as before, just with a GERMAN with no PET. That's where the paragraph comes is. Without it, it's like creating an equation, and not solving for X (t |
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darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
1634 Posts
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Sunday, May 13, 2012 7:40:43 AM
you did not derive, it did not state, "norwegian lives in the left most house" it stated "norwegian lives in the first house"
first house on the right is the first house also.
and no, the question was "who owns a fish" but never in the clues do they say anything about anyone owning a fish (the facts). its like me asking:
there are 4 kids (Sally, Jake, Billy, and Janet)who own pets, Sally owns a cat, Jake owns a snake, and Billy owns a dog; who owns a fish?
you could wrongfully assume that Janet owned the fish, but you would be wrong, the correct answer, as it is in 'Einstein's riddle' is "not enough information is given." |
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STEVE032
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
11 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:59:25 PM
@darkmagic14n
"and this is where your logic unravels. you are assuming that #1 = left most house, and as soon as you assume, you can no longer have a proof."
I did not assume. I derived.
But, sure, a labeling system puts them in a place amongst themselves, Which is exactly what this riddle is dealing with. 5 Houses and their relationships amongst themselves . Again the 5 houses, can be 5 out of God knows how many, but the fact still stands that all the GIVENS are relationships within the 5 houses + owners to each other.
Therefor, it stands to be true that the order of the houses, is YELLOW, BLUE, RED, GREEN, WHITE. Change the orders and then the GIVEN's dont match to the result. As to the fish existing, and not a snake or zebra or wtf ever else was mentioned. The fish exists because it was MENTIONED. Same as the DOG, the HORSE, the CAT, and the BIRD. It didn't ask who doesn't own an animal. It asked who owned the fish, which in itself is a GIVEN, ju |
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darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
1634 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:46:04 PM
@STEVE032:
"the norwegian is a neighbor of the blue house, and is also in teh first house, therefore: blue = #2"
correct
"next we know that the green is to the left of the white house"
yes
"so it can't be #1"
and this is where your logic unravels. you are assuming that #1 = left most house, and as soon as you assume, you can no longer have a proof.
ie, lets assume a circle as square sides
lets assume infinity has a conclusion
these are of course exaggerations, but same principle
the house color order (from left ot right) could be: Green Yellow Red Blue White (norwegian lives in the white house, next door to the blue house; green house is to the left of the white)
and again, the biggest trick of the puzzle, it never says anyone actually owned a fish |
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STEVE032
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
11 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:41:11 PM
Sorry, meant to say #3 drinks milk, therefor can't be GREEN. |
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STEVE032
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
11 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:32:14 PM
This riddle doesn't require any guessing, just simple patience and competence. Just start with the colors.
The Norwegian is a neighbor of the BLUE house and is also in the first house, therefor: BLUE = #2
Next we know that GREEN is to the left of the WHITE house and that GREEN drinks coffee. so can't be #1, because #2 is BLUE, and it can't be #3, because #3 drinks Coffee, so #4 and #5 are left.
Considering Green has to have a house to it's right (WHITE) it stands to reason GREEN = #4.
So the order is now, #2 BLUE, #4 GREEN, #5 WHITE.
With these 3 figured out, the rest of the information just needs to be plugged in.
Then after that neighborhood relationships need to be plugged in, and you're done. |
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 kangoala
Male, 18-29, Australia
626 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:32:06 PM
This is an LSAT question if ever I saw one. |
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 jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
2353 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:21:34 AM
For that matter the german doesn't necessarily live in the green house either, he lives in Norway, owns a purple house with the snake and drinks vodka |
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 TKD_Master
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
4827 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:43:46 AM
I maintain that nobody owns the fish and that the german owns a snake instead. Why does he have to own a fish? I see no reason for him to not own a snake. |
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 buscompany
Male, 18-29, Southern US
106 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:43:01 AM
@intrigid
The puzzle doesn't give you enough information to slam one thing into place after another until the puzzle is solved. However, it DOES give you enough information verify your answer after you experiment with many, many different possibilities.
Nowhere, except for the question "Who has the fish?" is a fish mentioned. It never says that any of the people in the five houses necessarily own a fish. When this riddle was first published, it was with a zebra but the solution was the same. No one necessarily owned the zebra.
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 Raicuparta
Male, 18-29, Europe
137 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:51:43 AM
yeah einstein had nothing to do with this |
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 Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
3324 Posts
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Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:40:49 AM
I don't know who owns the fish, but I know who owns the squirrel. |
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intrigid
Male, 18-29, Canada
879 Posts
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Friday, May 11, 2012 11:56:58 PM
"And yes, my point was that the original was meant to trick people into thinking they had enough information to solve the puzzle when they didn't. I guess that this version does as well."
The puzzle doesn't give you enough information to slam one thing into place after another until the puzzle is solved. However, it DOES give you enough information verify your answer after you experiment with many, many different possibilities. |
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intrigid
Male, 18-29, Canada
879 Posts
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Friday, May 11, 2012 11:52:58 PM
The German owns the fish. And he lives in the 4th house, which is green, he drinks coffee, and smokes prince.
I got the answer by dicking around in a spreadsheet for about 20 minutes. |
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Moriachik
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
48 Posts
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Friday, May 11, 2012 11:26:39 PM
Solved.
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