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Ron Paul Answers the Same Question as Mitt

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Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Monday, August 22, 2011 11:52:29 AM
Rawrg, not that I also mentioned "before the people... decided to care."

There are plenty of companies around now that have been through a LOT of protests, and thrive to this day. Take WalMart for example.

WalMart has gone through hell and high-water with all the issues it's faced. If you ask the internet, it's nearly impossible to find someone who DOESN'T hate WalMart.

So how are there still WalMarts tanking local economies and poorly treating workers everywhere?

Because no one cared about them until Walmart was successful enough that they didn't have to care. Even if some horrible truth comes out about Walmart, they can lower their prices and their millions of dumb, ignorant and apathetic customers will flock in until they've made up any lost money.

Dollar diplomacy doesn't always result in the right candidates being elected, I'm afraid.

slbtiger
Female, 30-39, Southern US
 105 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:01:11 PM
Rawrg: BP, Wal-Mart, McDonald's, Apple, Target, Nestle, and Honda have all had bad press since Internet watchdogs have been around to bark. They're still thriving.

Bad Press Hasn't Hurt WalMart

Cuthere2: Yeah, the idea of government adding a sales tax to say, cigarettes or alcohol or cars is a complete fairy tale, right?

Tax history - federal sales tax

Junkaroo, since you're too dumb to use Google, here you go:

Link 1

Rawrg
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 935 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:51:09 PM
"Ummm im pretty sure by 'flat tax' he means a flat percentage across the board... you know, instead of say 30% for the poor and oooh 0% for the rich?"

There is a valid argument that a flat sales tax will impact the poor more, because in a purely flat tax system, only money that is not spent is untaxed. So the poor, who have to spend most of their money (percentage-wise) on food, bills, etc, pay more of their income percentage on taxes.

That said, in a world without FICA, income tax, etc, a reasonable flat tax rate might end up costing the poor less than current taxes. It all depends on the government's spending level.

Rawrg
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 935 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:45:03 PM
Altaru:

It's a different age today. With the internet, watchdog groups and state legislation and regulatory boards (which Ron Paul is NOT against), this can be covered. The problem with the federal government doing it is that they set up huge agencies that cost billions to maintain, and their budgets always go up each year, regardless of necessity.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 3:54:20 PM
In a truly free market, companies who dump waste into people's properties would not survive.
Who would buy products from companies like that? ... They would tank, because people would protest their products by going with a competitor.


Back in the days when America didn't really regulate the economy, this was the belief and policy. Let's see how that turned out:

A) Quite a bit of damage was done before people learned the truth or decided to care.

B) By that time, those companies had saved quite a bit of money, since it's cheaper, and were some of the most successful businesses around.

C) Being the most powerful businesses around, they drove their competition out of business, giving people no choice but to buy their product or go without, and sometimes the companies in question sold things that are virtually essential for everyday living.

That system worked well, didn't it?

Mr_Pedo_Bear
Male, 70 & Over, Southern US
 848 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 1:04:54 PM
@hwkiller: "They would tank, because people would protest their products by going with a competitor."

How many companies using child and sweatshop Labour are doing alright? Shell have a massive oil leak in scotland people still buying their petrol... People don't give a rats arse about stuff like this as long as it's not being done to them...

BoredIAm
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 146 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:01:39 PM
What a whiney little pussy. I want it for me because I am in a wheel chair, but no one else. If he doesn't like Romney and Guliani's answers he should vote the drat who he agrees with. jesus Christ.

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:18:00 AM
That's why I wrote him in in 2008 people.

junkaroo
Male, 30-39, Australia
 232 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:52:59 AM
"Georgia plantation using slave labor? It's all OK with President Paul. I'm not even exaggerating - google "ron paul pro-slavery argument" "
Calling shenanigans. I did, and found nothing of note. Take your made-up BS and go home.

junkaroo
Male, 30-39, Australia
 232 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:49:06 AM
"Not to mention that his "flat tax" plan would benefit the rich and choke the poor. When everyone has to pay $2000 tax a year, who gets screwed? The person who makes $20,000. Not the person who makes $200,000. "

Ummm im pretty sure by 'flat tax' he means a flat percentage across the board... you know, instead of say 30% for the poor and oooh 0% for the rich?

Rawrg
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 935 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:31:59 AM
@slbtiger

Taking his principles, and answers to gotcha questions to the extreme. He believes that the power to regulate lies with the states and not the federal government. The federal government should deal with international and interstate issues. The states can set their own policies democratically.

And on the issue of flat tax, in a Ron Paul idealized America, there would be no income tax, no FICA taxes, etc. There wouldn't be these huge general funds that the government can raid whenever it comes up short. Instead, more money would be retained by the people overall. The only people who would have it "worse off" would be the welfare state dependents, but honestly with the increased availability of jobs thanks to lower regulation would benefit them more in the long run.

tommy2X4
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3348 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 6:16:34 AM
@slbtiger anything different. What they're doing now or for the last 30 years hasn't been working.

SvampeBob
Male, 18-29, Europe
 3088 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 6:07:02 AM


america wouldn't suck any more

cuthere2
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 314 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:34:16 AM
slbtiger - Nice job with the empty rhetoric there! Apparently you missed the whole idea behind Ron Pauls statements! Not surprising though based on your other comments.

The government adding 50% sales tax to everything? HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAH! More evidence that this flew right over your head! Sorry, if they don't have the power to stick their noses in everything else, and have been reduced in size to a government more in line with what our forefathers intended - How and why on earth would this imaginary 50% sales tax exist? And considering sales tax is typically a state tax, where would this come from?

You really should make sure you understand what is being proposed before you open your mouth and attempt liberal fear mongering.

slbtiger
Female, 30-39, Southern US
 105 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 1:13:30 AM
Idiots. RP doesn't believe government should regulate ANYTHING - not just marijuana, but ANY company.

Internet companies banding together to force up prices on bandwidth? They'll have support from Paul. Arizona decides to ban all alcohol? Paul advocates states' rights above all else. Georgia plantation using slave labor? It's all OK with President Paul. I'm not even exaggerating - google "ron paul pro-slavery argument"

Not to mention that his "flat tax" plan would benefit the rich and choke the poor. When everyone has to pay $2000 tax a year, who gets screwed? The person who makes $20,000. Not the person who makes $200,000.

And boys and girls, Uncle Sam WILL get his money from somewhere. If not from your paycheck, it'll come from your sales tax. Imagine a 50 percent sales tax on EVERYTHING - from a gallon of milk to a new car. Guess who'll feel the pinch on that one? Rich people or poor people?

Aedran
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 295 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 9:55:19 PM
Asino, did you even look at the polls recently? Ron Paul is beating the other republican candidates. Moderates are starting to really like him because he isn't your classic "Republican". I'm a registered Republican and I'm going to vote for Ron Paul.

Asino
Male, 18-29, Europe
 134 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 9:16:40 PM
Shame no one will vote for him. US should lighten up. Would make the world a better place. ah what the hell.. soon you'll be puttig together cell-phones for the chinese

Rawrg
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 935 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:13:46 PM
"Companies wouldn't "fear the wrath" as the article puts it. They would, as they often do now, simply consider it the price of doing business."

Did you read this article completely? It justifies his positions very well.

You're right, there have been many companies that have marginalized people's lives. Still, many of these atrocities were committed with laws in place to prevent them, or the laws weren't defined well enough at the time. The problem is that soon, regulations stack up so deep that companies have to jump through countless hoops to perform the most basic of tasks. It drives industry out of our country, and it drives up costs to those companies that stay here, which are passed on to us.

If real harm is done, criminal and civil charges can be brought against corporations and the decision makers. Believe it or not, with the speed at which information travels today, this philosophy can be more effective than federal regulation.

TheNineXXX
Male, 18-29, Europe
 401 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:58:51 PM
Tea Party would say the same - What's better? godbotting cranks or... pretty much the same?

Rawrg
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 935 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:21:55 PM
"i think he is just doin this to get votes but hey whatever legalize my pot man."

He's been consistent on pretty much every issue since they've been issues. He's always viewed the war on drugs to be a financial burden that only drives up black market prices and costs us the lives of people, both offenders and law enforcement. He also believes in the freedom to do with our bodies and minds as we please, so long as we don't hurt others.

Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1932 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:44:31 PM
It's nice to heat a little sanity. Shame about his son though...

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:26:33 PM
If anything, MORE money needs to go to Israel, not less.


Typical conservative I meet. Fiscally conservative, unless it comes to our allies.

DuckBoy87
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2661 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:07:01 PM
He makes a good point. What is happening to states' rights?

I, personally, believe the Democrat party is to blame. They want more and more government programs, thus increasing the size of the government, thus spending shi tons more money than what should be and trampling states' rights.

I believe each individual state should be run as its own little country, but with a small federal government to take care of things like international affairs.

defendors87
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 614 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:06:29 PM
yeah, just like we are supposed to be out of iraq and have the job market back up to normal by now... politicians can promise anything they want. they lie.

vegascartman
Male, 30-39, Western US
 735 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:58:54 PM
NNoamfer...funny, every single Israeli I've ever met has a different opinion. If anything, MORE money needs to go to Israel, not less.

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