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Spinning Bullets On A Frozen Lake

Hits: 35520 | Rating: (2.7) | Category: Science | Added by: CrakrJak
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chimmeychang
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 674 Posts
Monday, November 08, 2010 7:36:08 AM
pistols are rifled, making the bullets spin. this makes the trajectory of the bullet more of a straight line because of the gyroscopic effect. this means the bullets spin really fast. its not magic, its not some special effect from the ice, save the the ice absorbed just enough of the forward momentum to let it ricochet and land near enough to observe. this is all due to the gyroscopic effects of the spinning bullet.

chimmeychang
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 674 Posts
Tuesday, November 02, 2010 3:37:19 PM
pistols are rifled, making the bullets spin. this makes the trajectory of the bullet more of a straight line because of the gyroscopic effect. this means the bullets spin really fast. its not magic, its not some special effect from the ice, save the the ice absorbed just enough of the forward momentum to let it ricochet and land near enough to observe. this is all due to the gyroscopic effects of the spinning bullet.

Erichsgurl2
Female, 18-29, Western US
 17 Posts
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:27:42 PM
I live in Alaska...where shallow lakes can freeze solid, and deeper lakes can have ice that is 6 feet or more thick. If the caliber of the weapon isn't so high, ice that thick can prevent the bullet from penetrating through depending on the angle. When a firearm is fired, the bullet spins through the barrel. It just keeps spinning when it hits the ice. (Yawn)

CreamKreator
Male, 30-39, Europe
 69 Posts
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:34:51 PM
Put electric motor to spin the bullet off-camera, drop the spinning bullet on ice and then turn the camera on it.. Did i get it?

insanmonster
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 284 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:31:24 AM
@ rebetikas

The lake they were sanding on was probably a few feet thick, and even if it wasn't im sure a few little holes wouldn't do much to the structural integrity of the ice. I have even heard multiple stories of people having fires on the ice during ice-fishing season so it isnt that far of a stretch.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12739 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:54:59 AM
So why s the back of the bullet nice and shiny pretty sure gunpowder leaves residue. Also that gun sounds like a painball gun firing not a pistol. I also don't see why it would land that close to them something at that velocity I would think it would travel farther and be hard to find they managed it multiple times. Wouldn't it ricocheting also change how the bullet spins?

Okay, here's the thing. They were firing a pistol on to solid ice.


Last time I checked ice is harder than water if a bullet gets deformed in water I would think a bullet hitting ice would have an effect on its shape.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11744 Posts
Monday, October 25, 2010 10:39:32 PM
@McGovern1981, the bullets shown in your link were all hollow points or soft nosed. The bullet in the vid had a full jacket.

Also, bullet deformation is cause partly by heating of the metal. Shooting into ice might have some effect on this as well.

Finally, a pistol had a much lower muzzle velocity than a rifle -- typically about half.

All these factors could account for the difference.

davidstone
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 92 Posts
Monday, October 25, 2010 9:09:34 PM
@McGovern1981

Okay, here's the thing. They were firing a pistol on to solid ice. The Mythbusters video you showed had them firing a very high caliber rifle into water. Those are two completely different things. The only similarities were that they were firing at H2O with a gun, which is a very general thing to say. That's like saying a bb would go through a solid steel wall because your .22 went all the way through plywood. Something from a gun went through a wall, right?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12739 Posts
Monday, October 25, 2010 12:24:38 PM
Bullets fired into water

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12739 Posts
Monday, October 25, 2010 12:18:56 PM
BS FAKE FAKE FAKE!! A bullet fired into solid ice will not be in perfect shape that will deform it water and sand can too.
Mythbusters
not to metion when a bullet riochets it begins to spin in different ways countering at least somewhat its initial spin. Why would it land on the tip and spin like a top? how could it ricochet out of the hole it created at that angle?

Boredhero78
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 108 Posts
Monday, October 25, 2010 10:12:15 AM
That's pretty cool.

McMatthewL
Male, 13-17, Europe
 113 Posts
Monday, October 25, 2010 9:24:39 AM
Theres no way that this is faked. Who would come up with the idea of making a fake video of spinning bullets on ice? Its just a strange occurrence that can probably be explained easily, but I cant see why you would fake it

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16153 Posts
Monday, October 25, 2010 8:47:58 AM
Steelgrid: Bullets fired into ice don't usually break up, That also goes for bullets and liquid water, sand, and a few other materials as well.

The ice has very little friction so it's able to stop the forward momentum of the bullet without stopping it from spinning.

Now having said that, Shooting into ice or water is not generally a very good idea. Ricochets have killed people, So please don't attempt this.

rncotton
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 417 Posts
Monday, October 25, 2010 8:10:14 AM
After updating all plug-ins and manually installing SWF plug-in, I never did get it to work on-site in Firefox. IE would show the first frame, but no video.

Played fine from Break.com

meepmaker
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 6716 Posts
Monday, October 25, 2010 6:41:48 AM
Thats crazy.Not sure if I really believe it but crazy none the less.

rebetikas
Male, 30-39, Australia
 216 Posts
Monday, October 25, 2010 6:10:00 AM
I have no idea, but to me standing on a frozen lake and shooting bullets into it is stupid? Was half expecting the ice to crack and see them fall in the freezing water.

Steelgrid
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 2704 Posts
Monday, October 25, 2010 2:33:23 AM
I would have to say this is faked. Now mind you for all the ignorance this group shares (ie, Guns spin the bullets when fired) I cant imagine that a bullet this small would hop out of the ice once it hit and there would be no deformations. If the ice is strong enough to bounce the bullet back then the bullet would be deformed. if the ice is too weak to NOT bounce the bullet back, well, you would have no spin.

Also BOTH times they were able to pull this off the camera panned away from the landing area prior to each shot.

Clever, but faked, sorry

IrishJesus
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 484 Posts
Monday, October 25, 2010 12:43:21 AM
anyone else think that's Farve from Supertroopers?

hardyhar1088
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 15 Posts
Sunday, October 24, 2010 11:22:32 PM
There's magic all up in dis bitch.

Volsunga
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1548 Posts
Sunday, October 24, 2010 10:38:35 PM
The impact area on the ice doesn't look like it's ricocheting. It looks like its just going into the ice. Unless there is some weird effect from the rapid heating and cooling of the bullet, I would also expect anything that is hard enough to cause a ricochet to deform the bullet.
I'm skeptical, as the physics of it don't make sense. However I can't figure out a way they could have faked it. The only clue (besides the trick itself) is the gunman's blatant disregard for muzzle awareness. F*ck, now I have to try it...

talon0325
Male, 40-49, Canada
 384 Posts
Sunday, October 24, 2010 9:21:55 PM
Give someone a gun and a beer and look what happens.

mmdude
Male, 18-29, S. America
 9 Posts
Sunday, October 24, 2010 9:20:36 PM
Guns are made to spin the bullets in order to keep the accuracy of the shot.
It works like a gyroscope.

jbwhite
Male, 18-29, Canada
 841 Posts
Sunday, October 24, 2010 7:56:06 PM
@bram
you're from the south, wouldn't you be afraid of mystical water that doesn't move for some reason (of course I'm asuming you are a redneck).

vw
Female, 30-39, Asia
 409 Posts
Sunday, October 24, 2010 7:26:26 PM
please don't tell me that's a new sport or something!!

Ozmose
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 439 Posts
Sunday, October 24, 2010 7:00:31 PM
northern redneck = oxymoron

Come pay a visit to Upper Michigan. This place is toothless, inbred, redneck Mecca.

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