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16 Illegal Aliens Sue Arizona Rancher

Hits: 10643 | Rating: (3.2) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Toxicityrckr
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JoeJordan
Male, 18-29, Europe
 177 Posts
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 3:48:31 PM
The guy holding them at gunpoint was totally right, I know if someone came across my land illegally I'd do more than "hold" them with a gun ! :D

SilverThread
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1353 Posts
Friday, May 29, 2009 5:13:25 PM
Dead men tell no tales.

If this bulls#it suit passes, there's gonna be a lot of bodies laying out in the sun on the border. No one is gonna let an illegal immigrant off their property alive and there's a lot of places to hide a corpse on 22,000 acres.

If someone came in the back door to your house and you had to drive them out by pointing a gun at them, then they attempted to sue you for threatening them, they'd be wrong and your legal system would be officially f@cked if it sided with the trespassers.


ImmortalZach
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 423 Posts
Friday, May 29, 2009 8:22:43 AM
↓ ↓ The Czech Republic ↓ ↓

Baelzar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 503 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:50:52 PM
Maddog, you should be relieved of mod duties.

As far as the incredible amount of straw man arguments in here; give me a break.

You know how many other countries put up with this level of illegal immigration?

Anybody want to guess the number of countries that allow 12+ million (a conservative estimate) illegal aliens to enter and work illegally?


osirisascend
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1618 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:08:12 PM
dm2754: It's been taken care of and there is no longer an issue between The Maddog and myself.

Like I said in an earlier post, it was nothing more than a disagreement between two strong personalities.

It happens.


dm2754
Male, 30-39, Western US
 483 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:58:37 PM
osirisascend: i see nothing bad in your posts. just ese up on the name calling

The_Maddog: take it esay. did take personal.


Tonyjet
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3097 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 1:15:58 PM
this is as bad as when robbers or getaway drivers sue the cops for using exesive force. Well, how about the ranch owner's civil rights? doesnt he deserve any? and they are not only breaking international laws, but also the are traspassing into his property So, Mexico and those 16 pieces of poo, STFU and go make and honest living instead of trying to syphon of this guys money, besides where the f*ck is he gonna get 32 million dollars from.

Am Mexican BTW


Shaboobalah
Male, 18-29, Canada
 237 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:37:47 PM
They don't have to win. I have already lost faith in the legal systems of Canada and the USA for this very reason. We let criminals sue a landowner for being caught trespassing, or in this case, illegal immigration. This is complete BS. There's a reason the sheriff did nothing to stop the rancher. It reminds me of a story I read a few years back of some guy tripped on a toy and broke his ankle falling down the stairs of the house he was robbing. He sued the homeowner and *won*. The North American judicial system needs an overhaul. Too bad the time and money required aren't there.

BoomBox
Male, 13-17, Asia
 1079 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:16:09 PM
I don't get it? What happened?

osirisascend
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1618 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:08:17 PM
And bhedgehog is correct, while we in the U.S. are supposed to be the "great melting pot" and welcome all immigrants, we do not.

BUT, we do have one of the world's more lenient immigration policies. Here in the agricultural midwest, there are more farm and ranch jobs than can be filled... and the majority of people who fill those jobs are Mexican migrant workers who come here and work LEGALLY.

So I scoff at those who jump the border in the dead of night. All they need to do is apply for a work visa, and the state of Minnesota will welcome them and they'll have NO problem finding work... in many cases, all they have to do is show up at a farm, say they want a job, and show their paperwork. The majority of small towns even have housing available just for the migrant workers.

No illegal border crossing, trespassing and skulking in the dead of night necessary.


osirisascend
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1618 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:00:37 PM
No sh*tstorm sixclaws, just a disagreement between two strong personalities.


Victory7
Male, 13-17, Western US
 302 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:01:19 AM
What? How?!?! They're not citizens of this counrty, HOW CAN THEY SUE IN AN AMERICAN COURT WHEN THEY COMMITED A FELONY FOR CROSSING THE BORDER ILLEGALLY?!?!?

beckpratt
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 95 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:56:43 AM
There is a HUGE difference between immigration and smuggling. You want to immigrate here? Fine. Do it the legal way. Otherwise, you run the risk of getting shot for trespassing. At least he took them to the authorities instead of shooting them right out. Come to America legally if you want, but don't break laws to get here illegally just to leech off our system.

sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2308 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:42:33 AM
There seems to have been some kind of a sh*tstorm here.

bhedgehog
Male, 30-39, Europe
 24 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:36:04 AM
VegasCartman: I've probably travel(l)ed to more places in the world than you've ever even heard of. Trust me dude, you're very much wrong.

No.. seriously... Trust me dude, you're very much wrong.

VegasCartman: Ever travel to any Asian countries? I have... over a dozen to be exact.

No, that would be "over a dozen to be vague". And yes, of course I have - several - so what? Ex-pat life and tourism is great, aint it, when you have a passport and skillset that is respected and in-demand around the world.

Anyway, let's get one thing straight... the US is not, simply not, the kindest place on the planet when it comes to immigration... you may want to think it is, but it is not.

Would this rancher exist and be tolerated if it were?


The_Maddog
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2791 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:19:10 AM
Ok..Bye!

osirisascend
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1618 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:13:23 AM
The Maddog: Because I disagree with you, you say I am not "playing nicely" with others.
I call Bullsh*t.

You are on a power trip, and looking for an excuse to flex your "mod muscles".

Go ahead.

Do your worst.

I say yet again, I am not in the least bit intimidated by you, and I daresay you are beginning to sound like a petulant child.

I have done NOTHING wrong here. Although it seems that not agreeing with you is a mortal sin, and subject to "punishment".

You, on the other hand are starting to come across as a bit unstable.


osirisascend
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1618 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:07:20 AM
I take SERIOUS issue with those that seem to think that because I have taken human life, I do not value it.

No one is more aware than me of the consequences of such actions, and yes, I have to live with the fact that I have had to do so.

To say that someone does not value human life because they are capable of killing if necessary is ludicrous.

The VAST majority of human beings are capable of, and will kill to save their own life.

To believe otherwise is foolish.

And Maddog... all you're doing now is threatening some sort of action against me because of some perceived insult.

Do whatever you think you need to do.

Ban me if you want.

I say again, I will NOT be intimidated by your status as a mod.


osirisascend
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1618 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:00:19 AM
I love the negative spin some of you are intentionally putting on my words.

Cutting across my property is not going to garner any response from me at all.

Damaging my property and doing anything that could be construed as threatening my safety WILL garner an appropriate response.

Said response could be anything from my telling you to to leave, to physical intervention and removal IF NECESSARY.

I have a houseful of little kids right next door to me, subsequently balls, frisbees, and toys sometimes inadvertently come over the fence.

All the kids next door know that they are more than welcome to enter my yard to retrieve their belongings if necessary, and understand that it is not safe to enter the yard if the dogs are outside unattended. If that's the case they know to ring the front doorbell and tell me that a ball, or whatever has come over the fence, and will I get it for them.


The_Maddog
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2791 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:58:43 AM
osirisascend.

This isnt about power trips. This isnt about differing opinions. It's, about your inability to play nicely with the rest of the crowd.I dont expect you to agree with me any more than I have to agree with you! I really couldnt care less what you belive. I have every right to state my opinion and you vice versa!

Consider this your final warning on the matter! State your opinions all you want but drop the insults!


osirisascend
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1618 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:47:45 AM
The Maddog: "Ok osirisascend.
Now you really are pushing the wrong button, and further insults wont be tollerated!"

What are you gonna do?

Ban me because I don't agree with your high-handed, holier than thou attitude?

Go ahead and ban me if that's what you need to do to make yourself feel better Napoleon.

You're on a friggin' power trip, and I won't be intimidated by the likes of you.


mrpopenfresh
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1037 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:52:53 AM
They have a case, civil rights may not be human rights, but they definitely rank way up there when it comes to freedom and liberty.

The_Maddog
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2791 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:40:36 AM
vegascartman
While it's true that border hopping in Europe is common, they don't have an immigration problem the way we do.
----------------------------------------------------

WRONG! Illegal immigration is rife in western european countries! to claim Americas situation is worse than Europes is ludicrous!


vegascartman
Male, 30-39, Western US
 310 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:30:49 AM
I remember once I was traveling to Taiwan about seven years ago. One of the people I was with was a U.S. citizen but she still had a Filipino passport from when she lived there. Once we arrived in Taiwan they refused to admit her into the country because they saw the blight the Filipino illegal immigrants were causing their country. Even though she could document she was a U.S. Citizen and the U.S. Embassy backed her on it, they still refused to let her in because of the source of her passport. I even asked one of the agents over there how they deal with illegal immigrants coming into their country and he said it was a major problem so they have a "shoot first, ask questions later" type of policy there. Get out in the world a little folks. You'll realize the U.S. has a border issue that's dealt with in kindness more than any other place on the planet.

vegascartman
Male, 30-39, Western US
 310 Posts
Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:27:21 AM
"Have you been to Europe? I can walk from Spain to Greece without being asked for a passport, let alone being deported, no stunt... just the way it is... you need to at least read about the world or better still, go experience it or something."

I've probably traveled to more places in the world than you've ever even heard of. Trust me dude, you're very much wrong. While it's true that border hopping in Europe is common, they don't have an immigration problem the way we do. Illegal immigration is sucking the system dry here in the U.S. Ever go to an Emergency room in a hospital? You'd be shocked to see what you see. Regarding Euro countries, even many of them are now cracking down on immigration because they realize the blight that illegal immigration causes. Just look at the UK for example. Ever travel to any Asian countries? I have...over a dozen to be exact. Most of them have illegal immigration laws you could never even dream of. How about YOU do a little traveling for a


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