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 lyckosam
Male, 18-29, Europe
 50 Posts
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Monday, June 01, 2009 5:22:51 PM
LEGALISE! Marijuana has been shown to have a POSSIBLE correlation with psychosis, but there has to be a PREDISPOSITION. Meaning one has to be prone to psychosis as is - marijuana does not ALONE cause it, merely may, and I stress MAY, as the research is yet to be conclusive, cause latent psychosis to emerge.Ecstasy is a safe drugs. Alcohol is more physically damaging, results in antisocial, aggressive and dangerous behaviour and clouds judgement. Ecstasy has been shown to have NO physiological effects, results in energy, compassion and a sense of connection to others, and the user generally retains clarity.
But since when did the law makers listen to the facts?
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 ImmortalZach
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
423 Posts
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Friday, May 29, 2009 8:29:43 AM
Marijuana is not dangerous; stupid people are though. I'm actually smarter when I'm high, people shouldn't put themselves in situations that are dangerous while they're under the influence. Marijuana would not alter your vision enough to make you do something really stupid. |
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 Baelzar
Male, 30-39, Western US
503 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:23:08 PM
Who's the idiot in here that thinks that legalization advocates think it's okay to DRIVE? Talk about a strawman.Who's advocating that? NORML? The Drug Policy Alliance? Who? Nobody, that's who. Man, I hate when people use some personal anecdote as a reason to tell others what to do. I know someone who drove drunk...let's BAN ALCOHOL. I know someone who dropped their lighter and crashed...let's BAN CIGARETTES! Driving 120mph while stone cold sober is dangerous enough...lol that the weed did it. |
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 jimbobsthebe
Male, 18-29, Europe
367 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:57:11 PM
Agentk120, ecstasy is bigged up by the media as a dangerous 'class a' drug that could potentially kill the user. While of course they're dangers, ecstasy is realistically a very safe drug in it's purest form.Essentially cannabis isn't a particularly dangerous drug. But if we are to be scientifically sensible about things then surely drugs like ecstasy should be legalised first. It is a very safe drug that arguably (psychiatrists and psychologists may argue) saves lives. It's funny how many people see cannabis as OK to do because it is recognised as a socially acceptable activity. However drugs such as ecstasy are much safer but socially recognised as being highly dangerous. Aren't tradition and word of mouth a bitch?
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 Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
511 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:54:35 PM
The whole episode wouldn't have happened had he not been smoking marijuana [while driving a car 120 mph] |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
2691 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:26:13 PM
Results of the crash #1Results of the crash #2 Results of the crash #3 Yes, He was hurt. He refused to go to a hospital, To escape a DUI charge. He's fortunate to still be alive. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
2691 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:14:33 PM
Vindictive: He was lighting up a pinch hitter and dropped his lighter.. And yes he thought 120 mph was ok, because under the influence he thought the RR tracks were further away and thus had time to slow down. So he leans over to grab the lighter off the floor board and realizes waaay to late the tracks are right in front of him.The whole episode wouldn't have happened had he not been smoking marijuana, Even he realized that after the fact and has quit. I'd just like to save some people that harsh reality, Or perhaps even from death. |
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 Vindictive
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
264 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:55:34 PM
CrakyJak: You don't seem to understand the difference between the actual effects of marijuana and what can be attributed to the individual's personality. You say your cousin drove x-amount of miles an hour down a railroad track on weed? Well I have a friend with more than a 4.0, taking college-level classes with a bright future ahead of him who recreationally smokes marijuana. The difference is, your cousin was probably an idiot sober as well as stoned. He didn't know how to smoke in moderation or not to drive. It's his fault; not what he was smoking. To me, it seems like you use drugs as a scapegoat for other issues. |
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Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
511 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:33:36 PM
Crakr, I don't think anyone argues that weed is completely harmless. Like any other drug, it can be abused and have detrimental effects on a person. Nonetheless, that doesn't change the fact that many people are capable of using it responsibly and not doing retarded things like, say, driving across railroad tracks at 120mph. Just like with alcohol, driving under the influence of marijuana should be illegal too.And jimbob, how the drat is ecstacy rated as less dangerous than cannabis. I think that rating system is a little off. I mean, ecstacy doesn't cause that many deaths, but permanent psychological damage... |
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 FloridaSnow
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
625 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:18:37 PM
Crackr, your cousin didn't almost die because he was stoned. He almost died because he was being drating stupid going 120 mph. That probably had more to do with his already high risk taking personality, especially since pot tends to slow drivers down (I get bitched at by people in my car if I'm driving stoned because I sometimes end up driving 25 mph in 35 zones). I could understand if he had been driving around 60 and, due to weed lowering his reaction time, couldn't make a turn correctly. I don't even think I should be driving fairly high around 45 mph. But I do agree for the of the part on not driving under the influence, I just don't see the harm when I'm just driving in town. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
2691 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:49:10 AM
Shufdog: You obviously didn't take the time to read the Harvard Univ. link I posted. Everyone knows marijuana slows reaction times and generally has the same effect as alcohol (without the hangover, puking, etc..) There is no debate about that. Getting behind the wheel of a vehicle or operating machinery while high is bad bad news.
Had a cousin of mine nearly kill himself driving stoned, 120mph over RR Tracks, Flipped his truck (Want to see the pics ?) And before you go there, You may think your Michael Andretti while stoned but you are not. |
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 Brant167
Male, 18-29, Southern US
103 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:10:47 AM
Drug use is a social problem. However making it illegal just creates many more social problems. Where do you think the local gangs, militias in South America, hell even a few terrorist organizations get their money from? The majority of their money comes from the drug trade which causes a great deal of backlash. Such as the MS-13 burning people alive in metal barrels on the border, the countless individuals who die in the crossfire of gang wars, etc. While this is going on lobbyist are pilfering our state treasuries on the merit of keeping harmless drug users in jail. The problem is that the solution to the social problem of drugs is causing much more damage then it is helping. So, we as a society must look towards other options to combat drug us obviously the one we have is doing a piss poor job. |
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 madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
1104 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:56:44 AM
Schwarzenegger, Obama, Clinton and Bush. All have admitted to smoking weed (and perhaps coke). There's only one on that list I wish got busted and hence removed from our history books. |
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lavi0194
Male, 18-29, Canada
13 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:21:47 AM
drugs are fabulous. drug abusers are not. |
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Baelzar
Male, 30-39, Western US
503 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:15:59 AM
Nope, you're still an idiot.No matter which direction your argument comes from, you're wrong. Demonstrably. Do you want to ban alcohol and cigarettes? No? Then you have no leg to stand on in any kind of comparison between those and other drugs. Alcohol and cigarettes are the worst. Show me in the U.S. Constitution or any state constitution where it mentions drugs. You can't justify bad laws with other bad laws. They have no right to ban them. I simply will skip all the old arguments and go directly to calling you an idiot. That's where it'll end up anyway, because you're wrong and you know it. |
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 BoomStick
Male, 30-39, Canada
122 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:30:08 AM
"the government has no obligation to protect you from yourself"Really? Interesting all those laws they make then. We've got legislation mandating seatbelts, bicycle helmets, speed limits and a million other things designed to protect people from themselves. Suicide is illegal too. You undermine your arguement by being retarded. I'm just saying. |
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BoomStick
Male, 30-39, Canada
122 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:22:47 AM
"Anyone who thinks drugs should be illegal is an idiot."Rather, anyone so arrogant and egotistical to think that they know everything is an idiot; anyone who demonstrates absolute closed-mindedness is an idiot; anyone who thinks that saying, "Yeah well you're stupid," wins them the arguement, is an idiot. On the other hand someone who thinks that drugs should continue to be illegal is a person with an opinion - and not necessarily an idiot. |
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 Shufdog
Male, 30-39, Southern US
78 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:18:32 AM
"Wrong! Most deaths attributed to marijuana go unreported or reported as "accidents", "suicides", etc... For 2002 there were a total of 157 deaths in the 31 metro areas in which marijuana was the only drug reported. You may say, "no one has ever overdosed on marijuana" and likely be correct. But thousands have died as a result of the effects of it's use." So, using your logic, if someone dies (for whatever reason) after drinking two cups of coffee, it was the fault of the caffeine? Your argument is weak. Sorry.
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 TheFriedCoke
Male, 13-17, Southern US
112 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:23:05 AM
Debate you say? The link on masturbation has more comments than this! |
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Baelzar
Male, 30-39, Western US
503 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:09:21 AM
Anyone who thinks drugs should be illegal is an idiot.That said, this administration will be like all the rest: lip service but no action. |
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Vindictive
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
264 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:42:16 AM
No one has ever overdosed on marijuana. It's almost literally impossible. And you're more likely to suffer a death related to alcohol or even caffeine than one that can be attributed to marijuana usage. Or, hell, cigarettes. Your mother pops more dangerous anti-depressants than the weed kids smoke behind my school. |
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jimbobsthebe
Male, 18-29, Europe
367 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:52:37 AM
Most harmful drug rating (1 = most harmful, 20 = least harmful)1. Heroin
2. Cocaine
3. Barbiturates
4. Street Methadone
5. Alcohol
6. Ketamine
7. Benzodiazepines
8. Amphetamine
9. Tobacco
10. Buprenorphine
11. Cannabis
12. Solvents
13. 4-MTA
14. LSD
15. Methylphenidate
16. Anabolic Steroids
17. GHB
18. Ecstasy
19. Alkyl Nitrites
20. Khat. Source |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
2691 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:16:30 AM
"Marijuana has never been linked to a single death of anyone, ever." Wrong! Most deaths attributed to marijuana go unreported or reported as "accidents", "suicides", etc... For 2002 there were a total of 157 deaths in the 31 metro areas in which marijuana was the only drug reported. You may say, "no one has ever overdosed on marijuana" and likely be correct. But thousands have died as a result of the effects of it's use. |
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 _Perfection_
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1749 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:03:25 AM
"I wish people would quit telling the lie that marijuana is harmless. Don't believe me ?
Read This from Harvard Univ."Everyone knows marijuana has negative effects. The only argument is whether it has enough to justify its illegality. "Then again... If pot smokers continue to die younger, before age 65, It could save Social Security from becoming insolvent." Marijuana has never been linked to a single death of anyone, ever. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
2691 Posts
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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:50:20 AM
Then again... If pot smokers continue to die younger, before age 65, It could save Social Security from becoming insolvent. |
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