 yoimmylene
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 2058 Posts
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Friday, April 17, 2009 2:06:03 PM
And not to sound like I'm targeting him, but is it just me or does it seem like ConverseUK is always causing some form of a comment fight? ._.; (No offense, Converse, I don't know if it's just bad luck or what...) |
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yoimmylene
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
2058 Posts
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Friday, April 17, 2009 2:04:08 PM
Argh, sometimes...people can be so...so... |
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 MrFibbles
Male, 18-29, Europe
285 Posts
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:33:30 PM
"I knew what was going on, and I stayed at home."
as if you ever go outside ;P |
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 unsub
Female, 18-29, Europe
851 Posts
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:32:11 PM
"I knew what was going on, and I stayed at home."He probably couldn't stay at home because he had to work. |
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 bezdancing
Male, 18-29, Europe
34 Posts
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:45:27 AM
'Excessive force? You DO realise how easy it is to fall over with your hands in your pockets, right?'Yes it is very easy to fall over when an officer strikes your legs with a batton to unbalance you then shoulder barges you to the ground. |
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 iamboredtooo
Male, 18-29, Europe
100 Posts
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:10:58 AM
converseuk youre a moron. i really hope someone hunts you down and stalks you...and the moment you casually put your hands in your pockets, i hope they brutally batter you to death for placing yourself in that situation. it would be great for them to remove from our streets the THREAT that you'd pose |
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MrFibbles
Male, 18-29, Europe
285 Posts
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:04:57 AM
so by your logic converse, its allright to stab someone for giving you a dirty look? OH i see now.as for people who say "go another way home"
stop talking about what you dont know about. The protests were against the bank of england and other banks in the area, if he works in a bank then he would have no choice but to walk through one of the protests. |
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 Painter13
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
1309 Posts
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:20:15 AM
This is f#cking repulsive. Also, Converse U.K., that's why there are manslaughter laws, we know people don't mean to kill people, but negligent and careless behaviour causing death is illegal!!, the cop needs to be jailed for killing an innocent. |
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 JacobTrue13
Male, 18-29, Europe
151 Posts
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:00:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOsXTIGb3...Watch this then if your interested. |
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 ConverseUK
Male, 18-29, Europe
1295 Posts
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:54:31 AM
Oh an another thing...Excessive force? You DO realise how easy it is to fall over with your hands in your pockets, right? And he was obviously okay to get up and walk away. Had he not died, this would have been completely dismissed. So did the officers 'murder' him, or was it that last Big Mac Meal he had (which he couldn't help but supersize...) |
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ConverseUK
Male, 18-29, Europe
1295 Posts
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:51:54 AM
Having your back to an officer with your hands hidden is very VERY unsettling for ANY officer. It provides the possibility for a swinging attack with a knife, bottle, gun, brick...you name it.
OBVIOUSLY they saw him as a threat (a situation in which he PLACED HIMSELF BY ACTING LIKE A TWAT) and it was the officers JOB to disperse this THREAT.I knew what was going on, and I stayed at home. Also note how I'm still alive. If you want to go and act hard against a police officer in such an unsettling and explosive time then be my guest...just lose some weight first to counteract the infamous 'heart attack of doom' tactic the feds use these days... |
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 Khronnus
Male, 18-29, Europe
292 Posts
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:54:13 AM
jimbobsthebe - I agree with you. The media are really going on and on about this. It was sad the man died, but at the end of the day there was a riot going on. And he was full on pissing around with the plolice. He was walking slow, even after they ushered him along. On another note, everyone in England knows how violent the last one got, and the police said force was going to be used. So why when you know there is a riot on, you'll walk so slowly right in front of the police? Just seems compltly stupid. |
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unsub
Female, 18-29, Europe
851 Posts
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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:27:48 PM
jimbobsthebe, it doesn't really matter if he was part of the protest or not. What matter is how he behaved (non-violent and non-threatening) and how the cops reacted to his behaviour (with excessive force).
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 jimbobsthebe
Male, 18-29, Europe
368 Posts
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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:05:45 PM
opiebreath come on. Don't be fooled by the way this story has been portrayed. The media wants you to think that this guy was innocently strolling along and then attacked.I can assure you that pretty much everyone in the whole of England knew about these protests and knew about the force that the police were willing to use. I honestly think that the officer who swung the baton did the right thing. If he hadn't have done it then the protesters would have seen it as police weakness. Also, this guy didn't die because of the police's actions. He died because of a heart attack. It's just a coincidence. The police were acting completely reasonably and delivered a safe amount of harm. Just ask yourself, if I speak to you and then I die of a heart attack is it your fault I died? |
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unsub
Female, 18-29, Europe
851 Posts
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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:54:57 PM
Btw, the officer involved in the incident was suspended (IPCC press release)
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 opiebreath
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
14316 Posts
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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:45:14 PM
Converse... he wasn't a part of the protest, he was just trying to make his way home from work.o_O |
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unsub
Female, 18-29, Europe
851 Posts
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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:30:48 PM
I second that, bezdancing. |
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bezdancing
Male, 18-29, Europe
34 Posts
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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:29:46 PM
Thats not the way it is at all converse. How can your stance and demeanour be potentially theatening when you are walking away? When your back is turned. You defences are limited to an attack from behind - so how could turning away possibly be threatening? If anything it is an act of submition. You seem to be missing the big picture here - an officer commited a criminal act. Just because he comitted it in uniform does not make him any less acountable for that crime. You seem to think that just because a man is in uniform he is not held to the same standards as the rest of us - your right - however the standard should be imsurably higher when that uniform is donned. The officer obviously acted in a egregious manner, if you can not see that then your thinking is fundementaly flawed. Otherwise you are simply a troll looking for attention, I can not believe that with video evedence any right minding person would think that officer behaved in an acceptable way. |
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 outfire
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
512 Posts
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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:10:17 PM
"deliberately provoke annoyance to the officers"
So officers can beat up people who annoy them now? |
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 dystopia04
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
1078 Posts
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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:04:11 PM
police aren't that bad, its just that there's so much media coverage of the bad ones cause no one cares about the good ones that people don't realize there are cops that actually do their job right |
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ConverseUK
Male, 18-29, Europe
1295 Posts
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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:03:58 PM
Peaceful protesters? You're kidding right?He was a troublemaker. Whichever way you look at it, that's how it is. He was acting in a way to deliberately provoke annoyance to the officers. Nobody made him do that, it was of his own accord. Also, you seem to be looking over the fact that his stance and demeanour were threatening and potentially dangerous. |
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outfire
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
512 Posts
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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:36:44 PM
I should rephrase that, if they verbally told him to get out of the way, maybe he would've, and if he didn't, why he had to be pushed to the ground and then struck multiple times is beyond me. Like unsub said, he could have been arrested for not complying with police orders, and then removed from the scene, simple as that. Am i saying that he wasn't a perceived threat? no. Am i saying that the officers could have handled this situation in a more appropriate manner? yes. |
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unsub
Female, 18-29, Europe
851 Posts
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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:34:11 PM
Converse, they could have just ignored him and let him walk away (which would have probably been the best option).
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bezdancing
Male, 18-29, Europe
34 Posts
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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:32:00 PM
So you feel that the police have the right to act violently towards peacefull protestors? Thats interesting. I think you would feel diferently in you where the one being detained unecessarily for a long period. I agree he took his time leaving - however he was still leaving. The officer attacked him from BEHIND! The problem with this whole case is that the man was complying with the officers request. That he did it in a petulant manner is no excuse for him to be assaulted.This officer committed a comon asault, which could have (it is yet unclear) caused or contributed to a fatal heart attack. If a member of the public acted in the same way they would be in the dock, and nobody would disagree. Just beacause an officer in a could not cope in a 'high-tension area' as you put it is not any excuse for him to strike a member of the public from behind. Officers face far worse abuse on the street everyday yet this man walking away sulkily was enough for the officer to use his baton on him. |
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ConverseUK
Male, 18-29, Europe
1295 Posts
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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:25:42 PM
Which non-physical way would that be? Asking him nicely?I don't think they have a 'please be nice and don't make us look bad' greetings card, but I'll keep an eye out... |
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