 wolfie665
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2 Posts
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Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:52:04 PM
20 years ago in my Golf 1 turbo disel I was driving 1100 km (683 miles) with 50 litres (11 gallons) which makes about 62 mpg fuel consumption in real world driving. What about modern turbo diesels? Which raises the question why nobody makes diesel hybrids, makes much more sense for me? If you really want to be eco friendly go by Tesla car, although I am not sure because you need to calculate the price of the car as well - obviously with more complex and expensive cars goes more emmissions during manufacturing the car, so in the end if you buy second hand, like 20 years old Gold 1 TD, will be much better for the environment is it? Or maybe for a change stop bombing all over the world. That would be really eco friendly think to do  |
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wolfie665
Male, 40-49, Europe
2 Posts
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Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:35:58 PM
It is well known fact that all hybrid cars are more fashion statement scam then anything real, it is like Macs and PCs - a more a fashion item.Here is the last prove the big BMW 520 is much more fuel efficient in REAL world then a Prius joke. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/used_car_reviews/article3552994.ece
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 Dejack
Male, 18-29, Europe
24 Posts
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Monday, March 16, 2009 12:51:40 AM
I completely agree that the driving style affects the car's consumption, however this test should have been done in more realistic conditions. I mean, how often is a Prius driven "as fast as possibile"? Comparing the consumption in conditions one could find in a city (traffic lights, low speed) would have been better, to me. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
1451 Posts
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Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:06:30 AM
So a Prius driven carefully in optimum conditions is more economical than a couple of unspecified cars. Not hugely impressive.Can you state what mpg you get from your Prius? Real mpg, not from the onboard computer (see the road test in my last post). |
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 Concordia19
Female, 13-17, Canada
59 Posts
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Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:55:54 PM
I drive a green prius. I love those cars. For driving around town you do save a lot of gas, it all depends on how fast you go. Driving back and forth from work, in one week it only has to be filled up once. In the our other cars they have to be refilled every 2-3 days. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
1451 Posts
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Saturday, March 14, 2009 3:01:32 PM
There are far more economical ICEs than the one in the Prius. In real use, a Prius doesn't get a good mpg figure. For example, Fifth Gear (a much more serious car program) did a reasonable combined cycle test with a Prius. Normal driving in normal conditions. They even swapped the drivers halfway through, to minimise any effects of driving style. The other car was a Jeep Patriot. They used the onboard computers...and then they measured the actual amount of fuel used and the actual distance driven, to get the real mpg.http://fifthgear.five.tv/jsp/5gmain.jsp?description=Toyota+Prius+vs+Jeep+Patriot%3A+the+great+MPG+test&featureid=1196&mnk=611 The Prius did beat the Jeep...by 1mpg. Oooh. If you want an eco-friendly car, there are much better options than a Prius. |
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 yen223
Male, 18-29, Asia
339 Posts
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Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:48:45 AM
What if you were driving efficiently in a hybrid? Or is that not possible?? |
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 madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
1104 Posts
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Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:03:19 AM
"The Prius was to be driven as fast as possible" So it never got to use the hybrid part of it's design. The fewer gallons of gas a driver consumes is in direct relation to the fewer amount of dollars a raghead in the mideast would use to kill us with. A typical commuter to and from work each day would prefer the gas bill of a Prius I assure you. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
1451 Posts
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Saturday, March 14, 2009 6:19:17 AM
This comparison was chosen for entertainment, but it does serve to make two serious points.i) A Prius is about either ignorance or politics, because it is *not* very eco-friendly. It's about either pretending to be or not knowing that you aren't being. It's spin over substance. There are many cars that are far more eco-friendly than a Prius, even a Prius used solely for urban driving. ii) The way in which you drive has a very large impact on fuel economy. That was the main point of the track test, because the Prius was being driven as hard as possible (i.e. very bad for economy) and the M3 wasn't. The M3 would probably get better mileage when driven a bit faster, actually. If you want the most eco-friendly car, an efficient ICE car is still the way to go. Cee'd, maybe, as they have a 7 year warranty (a sign that they're durable) and 50mpg urban. Or a microbox like the Toyota iQ, which is OK for two people in town. |
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brandonabe
Male, 18-29, Western US
22 Posts
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Saturday, March 14, 2009 4:05:48 AM
Way too far back to receive any benefit from drafting, and most of the time he wasn't even directly behind it. |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
2691 Posts
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Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:24:39 AM
Not as "Green" a car as the Eco-hippies (and Al Gore) would have you believe. Lesson, By what you like and drive smart. |
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 yudontn0me
Male, 18-29, Western US
629 Posts
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Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:12:07 AM
drafting. look it up onmythbusters |
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 bassdee
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
57 Posts
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Friday, March 13, 2009 11:17:50 PM
that's the problem with the smart cars because they're built more for the stop and go traffic in cities but put them on an open highway or a country road and they eat the gas like no other |
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 dystopia04
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
1078 Posts
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Friday, March 13, 2009 10:55:42 PM
i still like priuses |
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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
1053 Posts
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Friday, March 13, 2009 10:39:57 PM
The problem with hybrids is that by the time you've driven one far enough that the fuel savings pay back the extra purchase price, it's time to change the batteries which by then cost more than the car is worth. |
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 freddyferret
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
4209 Posts
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Friday, March 13, 2009 9:38:21 PM
To all of the people griping about the Prius running at 100%. First, like many people have said it's about driving smart, not fast. Second, they made good, valid points about the environmental damage done to make the Prius in the first place. There are many reasons I'd take the M3 over the Prius, this just adds to them. |
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F1r3w0lf
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
19 Posts
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Friday, March 13, 2009 9:07:24 PM
That's my future car for you. |
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benalawson
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
1 Posts
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Friday, March 13, 2009 9:06:04 PM
THIS IS BS!!!! They siad the Prius was going as fast as it could. That means high RPMs! The BMW just had to keep up. Which means it was probably cruising at low RPMs! And drafting! This is BAD science. |
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 don11817
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
85 Posts
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Friday, March 13, 2009 8:02:46 PM
And, Quackor--he's not drafting-- he is at least 1-2 car lengths behind and in most of the shots more than that. You have to be right on the tail of the lead car-- within several feet-- to take advantage of draft, unless of course its a semi--then you still need to be within ten feet or you will actually get buffeted which is worse than driving without a lead car.... |
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don11817
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
85 Posts
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Friday, March 13, 2009 7:59:43 PM
Ballaerina--in addition to your post, the Hummer has a life expectancy of 20 years or more, making it's production cost slimmer and less of an environmental impact over time. In stark contrast, the Prius has a life expectancy of less than 10 years due to battery charge life--it is mor3e cost effective to replace the car than to replace the batteries-- so it's cost of manufacture and it's environmental impact is greater during it's usable lifetime... |
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Damshek
Male, 18-29, Asia
9 Posts
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Friday, March 13, 2009 5:37:03 PM
>which makes this test more idiotic than comparing an m3 30% engine capacity to a prius 100% engine capacity.< Quackor, that was exactly their point: it's the WAY you drive that matters- Calm driving is more economical than an "efficient" engine. |
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 Joolin
Male, 18-29, Western US
653 Posts
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Friday, March 13, 2009 4:09:31 PM
Ya, I think it's pretty much unanimous now that Prius' are a scam perpetrated entirely to cash in on the suggestibility of the terminally hip. |
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 opiebreath
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
14283 Posts
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Friday, March 13, 2009 3:43:21 PM
I'm probably not going to have a car for another 4 more years at least... so... I'll see how the car market's doing then. |
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 cool110
Male, 13-17, Europe
65 Posts
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Friday, March 13, 2009 2:48:32 PM
they cut off the bit where they discussed stealing a petrol tanker |
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 ballaerina
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
529 Posts
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Friday, March 13, 2009 2:30:56 PM
There's a study out called the Dust to Dust report (google it) that tested the eco-friendliness of every car available. They took into account factors like production costs, transportation expenses, fuel consumption, reliability, parts, etc. The Hummer, which is made of cheap industrial steel and is assembled and manufactured in the US, is more economical -- all things considered -- than the Prius, which has expensive parts and is not very reliable. The most environmentally friendly car, according to the report, is the Scion xB -- cheap to build, easy to assemble, good mpg, and very reliable. |
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