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FecesinVCR Male, 18-29, Eastern US
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Monday, January 12, 2009 1:47:59 PM To take the story of Noah's Ark literally is to miss the point of the story. Silly religious bibble thumpers. Watch out! The world is supposed to end in 2012! Oh wait, it was (predicted) to end hundreds if not thousands of times before... We are still here... You never know, the 1563rd times a charm! |
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Musuko42 Male, 18-29, Europe
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Monday, January 12, 2009 1:37:49 PM Goes to show, doesn't it Angilion? I massively understated the problem, and it still didn't make sense even then. When you think even closer, like you did, the insanity of thinking this was real becomes even more pronounced. |
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Angilion Male, 40-49, Europe
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Monday, January 12, 2009 12:44:33 PM Off the top of my head, other problems include:A wooden boat that large can't stay afloat even in the calmest waters. There is no evidence of a *global* flood, and there would be plenty if it had happened. Although you could argue that god kept the ark afloat and watertight with psychokinesis and erased all the evidence of a *global* flood afterwards. For some reason. |
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Angilion Male, 40-49, Europe
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Monday, January 12, 2009 12:40:46 PM I forgot a key point:You also need to have all the extinct animals on board as well, because creationists say that all fossil records date from the flood too (and that the entire Earth is only about 6000 years old anyway). There's even more bovine excrement in these people's arguments than there would be after a year in an ark. |
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Angilion Male, 40-49, Europe
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Monday, January 12, 2009 12:38:35 PM Musuko42: It's far worse than you decribe, for these reasons:There were up to 14 of each animal, not 2. You need to go further than species, because creationists also deny evolution. So you need far more than the 60,000 animals (not including insects) that you refer to. The gases from the animals would probably be fatal. The ark as described doesn't have anything like adequate ventilation systems. You mention food, which would be an insurmountable problem in itself (e.g. many animals require fresh plants - where were they grown?) but you don't mention drinking water. For at least a couple of hundred thousand animals. Where does the urine and faeces from the animals below deck go? How can 8 people tend all those animals? The animals would need exercise space, so the ark would have to be far bigger yet again. Although 8 people couldn't exercise that many animals anyway. It's all total rubbish in so many ways. |
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FecesinVCR Male, 18-29, Eastern US
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Monday, January 12, 2009 8:16:27 AM Oh yeah, you could totally fit 3 million+ animals on that thing. |
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Musuko42 Male, 18-29, Europe
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Monday, January 12, 2009 5:20:01 AM As for why the flood story appears in so many cultures, this is a good bet in my eyes:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_d... Major flood, check. Evidence of destroyed ancient settlements, check. Location that suggests displaced peoples will have dispersed out to all corners of the old world, carrying the flood story, and later the myth, with them, check. |
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Musuko42 Male, 18-29, Europe
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Monday, January 12, 2009 5:13:23 AM Wikipedia tells me there are 5400 species of mammal in the world. 120 of those are marine mammals, so that's 5380 land-based mammal species.The ark as described has a volume of 40,000 m³. So per animal (two of every kind = 10,760 animals), there would be 3.7m³ of space. But wait, there are 8225 reptile species. So now our total number of animals is 27210. So that's now 1.47m³ per animal. Then there are amphibians. 6347. Our number of animals is now 39904. 1.002m³ per animal now. 334 marsupial species. 40572 animals. 0.98m³ per animal. And that's not even counting insect species (of which there are aproximately 30 MILLION species) and bird species (10,000 species, most of which require land). Nor does it count freshwater fish. Nor does it count the FOOD required by all these animals. I would ask how any right-minded person could beleive the Ark story, but then...right-minded people don't. |
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Devi3000 Female, 18-29, Western US
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Monday, January 12, 2009 2:47:03 AM That is freaking AWESOME! |
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boredfjord Male, 13-17, Eastern US
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Monday, January 12, 2009 12:45:18 AM Well, now we can prove the Bible wrong by seeing how many species we can fit in the ark, and destroy the literal interpretation of this bullpoo forever. "I could not fit in a baby carseat right now, that means I was never in one. hehe, atheists try so hard and yet fail with every argument. Most animals don't start off being full grown." ...and this is why, even if we prove it wouldn't work, people would still believe it. This is the stupidity with which rationalists must contend. |
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Angilion Male, 40-49, Europe
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Monday, January 12, 2009 12:31:21 AM "Angil, what's Toba? *googles*"To save other people having to do so: Toba was a "supervolcano", the silly name given to things that aren't what most people would think of as volcanos. Imagine getting a tough metal container, putting some water in it, welding it closed and then putting it on a fire. The steam inside it will eventually create enough pressure to burst it violently. "Supervolcanos" are like that, but bigger. Bigger in the same way that a star is bigger than a candle. There's a scale for volcanic eruptions/explosions. "supervolcanos" are so far off the scale that they had to tack extra numbers on the end and they ran out of words to describe the power of the eruption, so they are officially classed as VEI 8 "Mega-colossal". Seriously - "mega-colossal" is the real rating. In a more familiar rating, Toba is estimated to have been an explosion of about a teraton. About 70 million times as bad as the |
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Angilion Male, 40-49, Europe
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Monday, January 12, 2009 12:08:53 AM "all right... we get it, you're an atheist"mooogandi, thanks for the laugh. You quoted an entire post close to the size limit and added a meaningless 8 word reply that utterly fails to address any of it. You don't get it. That's very clear. |
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11Volcom11 Male, 18-29, Canada
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Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:24:20 PM "I could not fit in a baby carseat right now, that means I was never in one. hehe, atheists try so hard and yet fail with every argument. Most animals don't start off being full grown."uhh what? im atheist and i know that i use to be small enough to fit in one. sooo... i guess its kinda you who failed with your argument huh? |
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11Volcom11 Male, 18-29, Canada
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Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:19:04 PM ok, now lets try and fit a male and female of every species of animal on that boat. oh theres not enough room? Way to go bible, you must have given the wrong measurements. |
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Shisi Male, 18-29, Western US
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Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:11:55 PM Not sure if that's big enough for two of each creature, and their egos. |
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QueenZira Female, 18-29, Midwest US
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Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:00:32 PM Why Noah's Ark is a complete FAIL... Reality FTW |
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alfietoon Male, 18-29, Europe
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Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:41:03 PM thats really cool :D. when i first saw it i thought it should become a modern flat :D |
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SilverThread Male, 30-39, Western US
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Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:47:29 PM I'm gonna guess the Flooding was a result of Deforestation caused by Building a Huge Wooden Boat. |
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kdawg Male, 40-49, Western US
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Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:30:22 PM I could not fit in a baby carseat right now, that means I was never in one. hehe, atheists try so hard and yet fail with every argument. Most animals don't start off being full grown. |
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sixclaws13 Male, 18-29, Midwest US
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Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:29:06 PM That's pretty cool, I'd like to go see it. Maybe this summer. |
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KnightRockr Male, 18-29, Eastern US
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Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:11:04 PM all i can say is...... it was only a matter of time |
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mooogandi Male, 13-17, Eastern US
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Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:30:43 PM "If it was a real boat, I'd be impressed. Unless it floats, it's a model. A very large model, but a model none the less. It's also still far too small to hold sufficient breeding stock of every land and most air animals from Earth. Most flying animals need to land on land much more often than every 40 days, so they'd need to be on it too. Plus food and, much worse, drinking water. For all of them. Even assuming that God teleported the animals to the ark, because they certainly couldn't have got there any other way.Then there's the people problem - there's no way the human race could have flourished from just the people mentioned (Noah, his wife, his sons and their wives). Even ignoring the glaring problem of incest being a bit of an issue in reproduction. The only way it could work is if the ark was a spaceship and the animals (plus a lot more people) were stored as genetic samples and somehow recreated after landing." all right... we get it, you're an atheist
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opiebreath Female, 18-29, Midwest US
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Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:19:24 PM THERE'S A GIRAFFE.Angil, what's Toba? *googles* |
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CharlieA Male, 18-29, Midwest US
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Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:37:52 PM "Where do you put the dinosaurs?"lol |
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Angilion Male, 40-49, Europe
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Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:14:23 PM "Will it float that is the question?"No, the question is: Will it blend?  |
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