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Dakkar Male, 18-29, Eastern US
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:14:37 PM There are still American interests at stake. Everyone hates a preemptive strike but in many situations it is the right call. I see Iraq not as a failed mission but currently incomplete. Setting up a forward position in a hotbox like the ME has great strategic value. And of course we'd want to set up a friendly (democratic) government so they let us build bases. People can criminalize Bush for invading without WMDs and purely for his oil interests, the latter I see as quite unfounded. But if our presence in Iraq helps preempt a problem that could rage out of control, i.e. Israel and Iran over nukes, he may be written in the history texts as a great President. |
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Vagrant86 Male, 18-29, Western US
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Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:25:44 PM did u go to school today hunnie?yes? *BANG* |
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Dakkar Male, 18-29, Eastern US
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Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:26:03 AM There are still American interests at stake. Everyone hates a preemptive strike but in many situations it is the right call. I see Iraq not as a failed mission but currently incomplete. Setting up a forward position in a hotbox like the ME has great strategic value. And of course we'd want to set up a friendly (democratic) government so they let us build bases. People can criminalize Bush for invading without WMDs and purely for his oil interests, the latter I see as quite unfounded. But if our presence in Iraq helps preempt a problem that could rage out of control, i.e. Israel and Iran over nukes, he may be written in the history texts as a great President. |
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RedBrother Male, 18-29, Europe
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Friday, December 12, 2008 9:01:28 PM i've just been "informed" via angry e-mail that it should be posted here because people feel strongly about the subject. If one felt so strongly about the contenct/subject then they would already be aware of the article. Moot |
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RedBrother Male, 18-29, Europe
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Friday, December 12, 2008 8:58:27 PM this was on al jazeera. why post it? religion kills. |
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s0rd3dvis1on Male, 18-29, Eastern US
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Friday, December 12, 2008 6:24:24 PM I realise this is triple post but i just reffered to someone by their middle name. That Muhammed Atmar Haneef. |
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s0rd3dvis1on Male, 18-29, Eastern US
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Friday, December 12, 2008 6:23:21 PM sorry that Haneef person |
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s0rd3dvis1on Male, 18-29, Eastern US
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Friday, December 12, 2008 6:22:30 PM that Mohammed person has worked very hard o hide he accent. Makes me feel sad that thats the only way he will be taken seriously. |
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manorrd Male, 30-39, Europe
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Friday, December 12, 2008 2:32:39 AM Thinking is a crime in all religions? Why, we have an expert on World Religion here.  That's crap, btw.. \/ \/ \/ \/ |
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TheWood Male, 30-39, Europe
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Friday, December 12, 2008 2:27:55 AM Here goes the story of mankind... where thinking is a crime. The sad thing is that the same state of mind is present in every freaking religions, including Christianity. |
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Angilion Male, 40-49, Europe
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Thursday, December 11, 2008 6:44:35 PM "angilion, just to play devils-advocateDo you support adultery, and sex outside marriage? (I wont do homosexuality since that is another debate)" In order to properly play Devil's advocate, your questions should have some relevance to my line of argument. Those don't, because *objecting to torturing people to death for something does not in any way imply support for that something.* I am going to emphasise that again, because it's a very important point and left unchecked will completely sidetrack my original post. I am opposed to torturing people, and even more opposed to torturing people to death, for adultery, sex outside marriage and homosexuality. Or anything else, but those are important in this context because Islam *requires* torture and slaughter for those things. The most "moderate" Muslim might argue that "only" torturing and maiming is required, something which "only" might kill the victim. This is the truth - check it f |
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Turnshroud Female, 18-29, Midwest US
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Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:23:54 PM Amaq, I must agree.I stumbled across a passage not long ago. Basically it says what any cleric will tell you, interpretation should be left for those that are learned…or something oif the like. Of course there is many a corrupt cleric in Islam…most. Murphy, I think I may have stumbled across that book. I’ll be sure to read it Also, I have stated in the past that Christianity was wrong for editing their Bible time and time again. I think I should restate this by saying that not to do so is wrong as well. There was a time when the Middle East was filled with inspiration and ideas, but now only ruins remain.
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caboose117 Male, 13-17, Eastern US
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Thursday, December 11, 2008 1:59:40 PM "I beg to differ. Last time I checked, there weren't a lot of radical groups of Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. going around bombing buildings, shooting up public places and killing children. "There are things like this that do happen, Christian groups near the middle east do bombings, those Soviet athiests have probably done bombings as well, and for the Jews, read the Old Testament. No matter where you look, there will always be corruption and extremism. |
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caboose117 Male, 13-17, Eastern US
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Thursday, December 11, 2008 1:58:30 PM " Indicative of the corrupted view extremism takes on any religion."I think it's indicative of the corrupted view extremism takes on any philosophy in general. It's not all about religion, it never is, even things like the crusades had very large social and economic factors. The religion was more of an excuse for most the crusades. " ALL religion is inherently flawed." As long as we don't know everything, anything we believe in can be flawed. cept maybe math. |
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scoreJ6 Male, 13-17, Eastern US
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Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:20:56 AM Indicative of the corrupted view extremism takes on any religion. |
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bungled Male, 30-39, Eastern US
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Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:21:00 AM I blame religion for all the problems in the world. |
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Overmann Male, 18-29, Southern US
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Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:58:14 AM Baalthazaq, you may want to rethink your strategy when instead of denouncing these indefensible criminal acts as the barbarism that they are, you point out similarly criminal acts having occured in the countries in which the critics live in an effort to suggest they're perhaps close-minded or insular. You needn't feel compelled to defend Islam against such criticism in order to be a good Muslim. One might say you have an obligation, if you care at all how Islam is perceived by Western society, to denounce such acts and to morally distance yourself whenever and however possible. |
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Sable_smiles Female, 18-29, Southern US
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Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:42:22 AM ALL religion is inherently flawed. |
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manorrd Male, 30-39, Europe
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Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:21:01 AM Baalthazaq:The point is that these people are going around murdering and justifying it in the name of their holy texts |
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pat125 Male, 18-29, Western US
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Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:53:36 PM People always put fourth the argument that "terrorists aren't Muslims, they're simply "bad apples" that act on their own accord".I beg to differ. Last time I checked, there weren't a lot of radical groups of Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. going around bombing buildings, shooting up public places and killing children. While I'm not doubting that there are many peaceful Muslims out there (I know a few personally), the religion is inherently flawed in the freedom it gives its followers to resort to violence. |
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d_katman Male, 13-17, Western US
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Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:47:47 PM did this actually say anything about the qoran directly influencing? if you ask me this is a poorly compiled news segment. they don't explain how the thing at the end ties in with the shootings. they talk about western teachings. but were the schools teaching 'western teachings'? were the teachers dressed like skanks? Is it hatred for education or the education system in use? |
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primetimekin Male, 18-29, Southern US
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Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:33:10 PM angilion, just to play devils-advocateDo you support adultery, and sex outside marriage? (I wont do homosexuality since that is another debate) |
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Angilion Male, 40-49, Europe
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Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:03:53 PM Here's a question that might prove illuminating to those who think that Islam is about peace, or that it is moderate:Is there a Muslim here who will voice an objection to prolonged bloody torture by whipping, perhaps to death, of people who have done these things? i) Adultery ii) Sex outside of marriage iii) Homosexual sex. It's a trick question - Muslims are *required* to support it. It's a command from God, if you're a Muslim. 100 lashes, no mercy. Direct order from God, right there in the Qu'ran. Absolutely mandatory, no objection allowed. Moderate? If you have the stomach for it, you can see videos of this torture online. It is not moderate by any sane definition of the word. Muslims can't really cherry-pick from the Qu'ran, because it's an article of faith that it is literally the word of God. |
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Angilion Male, 40-49, Europe
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Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:58:55 PM The learning of ancient Greece was initially preserved *before Islam existed*. Same area, but not the religion. |
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turtledude Male, 18-29, Western US
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Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:48:11 PM This is why. |
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