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 isaactrio
Male, 13-17, Europe
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Sunday, December 21, 2008 6:19:41 PM
im fine with religon except sciencetology lol
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 silversoul46
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
189 Posts
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Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:22:19 PM
I say oppose us Christians I mean do it in a more constructive non judgmental way. Not all Christians are "loonies" and just because we believe in something that doesn't have evidence to everyone one of existing doesn't mean that it doesn't. Sometimes I think we just need to remember that we are all people and seriously if everyone treated others the way they would like to be treated, things would look up instantaneously. |
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 sicker
Female, 18-29, Canada
243 Posts
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Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:33:00 AM
There should be someone out there speaking out against all the loonies and their Magical, Invisible Friend God. I don't see the problem but damn, Christians hate it when you oppose them, don't they? |
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 DemonCurtain
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
241 Posts
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Tuesday, December 09, 2008 9:53:38 PM
Stolen? Wouldn't that be against one of those commandment things? |
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McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
68 Posts
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Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:18:44 AM
All arguements about the bible are invalid as its not fit for toilet paper its a White anglo saxon take on a period of history about 6 or 7 hundred years after it happened. |
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 obeydarklord
Male, 18-29, Western US
510 Posts
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Monday, December 08, 2008 5:36:51 PM
ok the atheists are trying to stir up some trouble... I mean, honestly, I'm about as far from christian as one would get, but to be fair, i have to take their side on this...
I know all religions attack all other religions but being that atheists don't have the burden of having a book or ancient set of laws to adhere to, couldn't they have just taken the higher road? |
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 Vagrant86
Male, 18-29, Western US
2556 Posts
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Monday, December 08, 2008 11:29:00 AM
bob, the 8th rule is the override rule to what Jesus accepted that hes gonna die. |
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 sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2308 Posts
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Monday, December 08, 2008 8:36:00 AM
Admittedly that's a hard link to refute though. ;) Maybe I'll pick through it after work. |
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sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2308 Posts
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Monday, December 08, 2008 8:01:23 AM
Really, that video takes random quotes, simplifies them down to moronic levels, then tries to pass them off as things they're not. |
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 almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
1536 Posts
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Monday, December 08, 2008 6:22:05 AM
Actually, the Bible gives 8. You can see them here.
Now I REALLY need to study for my exams, so until the next religion thread :D
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sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2308 Posts
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Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:39:54 PM
Adios Bob, see you at the next religious debate. |
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sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2308 Posts
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Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:39:26 PM
Jesus never said "follow them or you won't get into heaven, end of story". There is not a long list of requirements to go to Heaven. In fact, the Bible gives only two, to accept Jesus into your heart and love both God and your fellow man. To quote the site, "If we meet these two requirements, whatever our religious affiliation is, we can enter the kingdom of God in Heaven. Religion is not a guarantee for one's entry to Heaven." |
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almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
1536 Posts
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Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:34:26 PM
Anyway much as I'd love to continue, I have to go to bed. It's been fun sixclaws. Goodnight :) |
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almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
1536 Posts
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Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:32:13 PM
Yeah the website may have been a little over-the-top (anyone who believes Dubya is wonderful is a bit weird), but they have scripture references to back up their beliefs.Your quote obviously contradicts their quotes, which just shows again that the Bible constantly contradicts itself. How can we be expected to believe it was inspired by a perfect being?
We don't know what Jesus' motive for saying this was, all we know is he said "Follow the OT laws". No reasonable person could possibly hope to follow those laws, there are around 400 of them and they're insane.
Which means no-one is getting into heaven. Jesus doesn't say "try your best to follow them, but if you can't it's OK as long as you're sorry". He says "follow them or you won't get into heaven, end of story". |
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sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2308 Posts
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Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:20:38 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the website you linked might be a little bit on the extreme side, due to the "God Hates (insert anyone here)" plastered across the page and the links like "Our Wonderful President Bush". Your logic of God hates sinners is seriously twisted, all of us are sinners, but God loves us as such. As far as Jesus telling us to follow the Old Testament Laws, Christians even now use his sacrifice as an excuse to live as sinfully as they please. They use the logic that all you have to do to go to Heaven is believe in him and repent to justify their corrupt ways. Jesus was speaking against this when he warned us that he did not come to abolish the old laws, but to uphold them. |
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almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
1536 Posts
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Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:48:27 PM
"No, it's not. No where in the Bible does it say God hates homosexuals. Try and find the verse, it's not there."Well we all know the verse about homosexuality, and this fun-filled Christian website details the parts of the Bible that illustrate that God hates the sinner as well as the sin. God hates sinner + homosexuality is a sin -> God hates homosexuals. "No, I don't, because I follow (or try my best to) the teachings of Christ. You know, the guy who preached non-violence, forgiveness and compassion?" No, you only follow part of his teachings. I just quoted you the part where he basically says "Follow the OT laws and be like a Pharisee". The Pharisees followed all the laws in the OT. Jesus says to do that as well.
The obvious problem here is that Jesus is contradicting himself, something else that happens a lot in
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sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2308 Posts
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Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:21:08 PM
"They would say the same thing about your creed, and every other one but their own. Just because you interpret the Bible differently, all other interpretations are invalid? To quote you, "Egotistical much?""I didn't say other interpretations are wrong, I said making your own interpretations law and using them to give yourself power is wrong. |
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sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2308 Posts
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Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:14:12 PM
""And the Westboro Baptists do not, by any sense of the word, follow the teachings of Christianity."Yeah they do. Their whole "God hates fags" campaign is what it says in the Bible, no matter how much you try to dress it up." No, it's not. No where in the Bible does it say God hates homosexuals. Try and find the verse, it's not there. "So sixclaws, do you stone to death those who work on the Sabbath? Do you execute rebellious teenagers? If not, I'll save you a seat next to me, Darwin and Ghengis Khan :)" No, I don't, because I follow (or try my best to) the teachings of Christ. You know, the guy who preached non-violence, forgiveness and compassion? |
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almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
1536 Posts
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Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:59:30 PM
" Putting up a sign that says "Winter solstice" is one thing...but one that bashes all religion is different."
It's an expression of what the sign-makers believe. How many times have you heard people talk about religious belief as if it were fact? They can state their own beliefs in the same way. Basically it boils down to:
"All religions are a waste of time" - Atheists vs "Any religion except my religion is a waste of time" - Christians/Jews/Muslims/Scientologists/whatever |
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almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
1536 Posts
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Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:56:27 PM
Jesus specifically says in Matthew 5:17-20 that all the old laws still apply, and that unless you are as righteous as a Pharisee you won't enter heaven. So sixclaws, do you stone to death those who work on the Sabbath? Do you execute rebellious teenagers? If not, I'll save you a seat next to me, Darwin and Ghengis Khan :) |
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 kulekaitlyn
Female, 13-17, Western US
113 Posts
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Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:48:50 PM
the problem with that sign is that its not just against christianity...its telling anyone that believes in any type of religion that they are wasting their time on something that isn't true. The nativity scene isn't telling anyone else they are wrong, its just celebrating their own beliefs. Putting up a sign that says "Winter solstice" is one thing...but one that bashes all religion is different. |
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almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
1536 Posts
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Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:48:41 PM
"I wasn't suggesting that you follow any particular creed, just that you do not follow Catholicism, as they are famous for warping the scriptures at whim. They formed councils and voted their interpretations of the Gospel into law, using them to grant abominations like papal infallibility along the way."They would say the same thing about your creed, and every other one but their own. Just because you interpret the Bible differently, all other interpretations are invalid? To quote you, "Egotistical much?"
"And the Westboro Baptists do not, by any sense of the word, follow the teachings of Christianity."
Yeah they do. Their whole "God hates fags" campaign is what it says in the Bible, no matter how much you try to dress it up. All they're doing is trying to spread the word, like all Christians are supposed to. It's just that their approach makes it clear how despicable some of the Christian beliefs really are. |
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sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2308 Posts
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Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:31:26 PM
And the Westboro Baptists do not, by any sense of the word, follow the teachings of Christianity. |
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sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2308 Posts
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Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:56:26 AM
"Why should I follow your creed instead of theirs? If anything, they seem to stick to the Bible more closely than any other group I know of (except the Westboro Baptist Church of course)."I wasn't suggesting that you follow any particular creed, just that you do not follow Catholicism, as they are famous for warping the scriptures at whim. They formed councils and voted their interpretations of the Gospel into law, using them to grant abominations like papal infallibility along the way. |
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 amaqdrinker
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2231 Posts
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Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:34:21 AM
exactly, i've been thinking a lot about these debates and you need to realize that you need God in order to understand religion. maybe i'm wrong and i'm just limiting my potential by being dependent on some make believe deity, but i don't think so. i look at the world and myself and thank God for his existence every day. |
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