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 Vagrant86
Male, 18-29, Western US
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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:51:55 PM
I Love listening to I-A-B rants XD |
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 Overmann
Male, 18-29, Southern US
3145 Posts
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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:17:48 AM
"Definition of evolution.. I see nothing about common ancestry."A good, working definition of evolution, to be sure. Common ancestry doesn't follow from the definition, but it is evident nonetheless. The definition you supplied is neutral on that area because it's entirely possible that something can evolve along a single line; it's just not probable. So as not to exclude that improbable possibility, common ancestry isn't directly noted. If you wish I could supply an alternate definition. Going by logic, common ancestry sufficiently implies evolution, but evolution does not necessarily imply common ancestry. |
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 elkingo
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1202 Posts
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Monday, October 13, 2008 6:40:40 PM
Genesis 1 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Actually zira, it doesn't state what he used to create.. doesn't specifically say nothing, something, or anything. You can take that as nothing, but you really don't have anything to back up that claim... unless you are aware of a verse I am not? |
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elkingo
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
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Monday, October 13, 2008 6:37:32 PM
In biology, evolution is the process of change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms from one generation to the next. Genes that are passed on to an organism's offspring produce the inherited traits that are the basis of evolution. Mutations in genes can produce new or altered traits in individuals, resulting in the appearance of heritable differences between organisms. New traits may also arise from the transfer of genes between populations, as in migration, or between species, in horizontal gene transfer. In species that reproduce sexually, new combinations of genes are produced by genetic recombination, which can increase the variation in traits between organisms. Evolution occurs when these heritable differences become more common or rare in a population.Definition of evolution.. I see nothing about common ancestry. |
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 iPirate
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
423 Posts
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Monday, October 13, 2008 3:25:20 PM
Wow, you guys are pretty awesome. Glad you got that out of the way while i was hanging out with my friends |
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 QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
601 Posts
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Monday, October 13, 2008 2:00:50 PM
For the record, my articles are not a gotcha method of arguing. I'd rather not type out all that stuff b/c frankly it is not easy to readily replicate.You said you believed in evolution, but not Common Ancestry. Common Ancestry is part of evolution. It states that all life at one point or another had a common ancestor and as life diversified and speciated we got the evolutionary tree of life. Families of species, and groups of animals & plants. Reproductive families. That sort of thing. I was flabbergasted at how you did not get this. |
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 sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
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Monday, October 13, 2008 1:57:03 PM
Sadly I have to be off. It's been nice (if extremely frustrating) debating with you. I'll see you on the next religious post. |
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sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
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Monday, October 13, 2008 1:54:18 PM
And yet, after everything I say, you either link a page saying the same thing or quote that page and then say, "Look at this! Ha!" when it is agreeing with me. I am just trying to get an idea of what point we are arguing about now. |
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QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
601 Posts
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Monday, October 13, 2008 1:51:47 PM
*Rubs temples to rid self of throbbing pain*
YES. THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS. |
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sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
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Monday, October 13, 2008 1:50:15 PM
F*cking A! This whole time I keep saying that evolution and religion can are not exclusive of each other! This whole f*cking debate that's been my point! |
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QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
601 Posts
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Monday, October 13, 2008 1:47:25 PM
Many prominent religious professionals, (The Pope ect.) believe in and support evolution.
*As per the article. Check it out. |
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sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
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Monday, October 13, 2008 1:44:57 PM
What are these "ugly little facts"? I think we are more or less agreeing on things, but in a rather hostile way. We both agree that religion and evolution can and do coexist (much like the human and the fish). We both agree that abuse of religion is a terrible, yet common thing. |
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QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
601 Posts
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Monday, October 13, 2008 1:38:30 PM
Read the article Dillweed. We'll start slowly...
SEE SPOT RUN... |
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QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
601 Posts
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Monday, October 13, 2008 1:35:31 PM
And brushing away my reasoning with, "you make no sense" is not going to make all my ugly little facts go away. |
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QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
601 Posts
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Monday, October 13, 2008 1:34:27 PM
Most religious people do believe in evolution.
That's the whole point of the article I provided.
Can you read? |
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sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
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Monday, October 13, 2008 1:23:07 PM
Have I not said this before? I believe in evolution. I am not an atheist. Why would you link a page claiming that most religious people don't believe in evolution? |
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sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2308 Posts
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Monday, October 13, 2008 1:20:52 PM
QueenZira, your comments usually have nothing to do with the subject at hand. You act all excited like you're about to prove us all wrong, then you say some random, unimportant piece of trivia. Perhaps you should learn how debates work before trying to take part in them. |
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QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
601 Posts
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Monday, October 13, 2008 1:20:52 PM
One more time... |
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QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
601 Posts
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Monday, October 13, 2008 1:13:57 PM
In other words, keep your faith out of science.
Science is not capable (at the moment)of proving the existence of god. God can't be measured, or seen, or felt, or tasted ect.And that's all there is to say about that. |
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QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
601 Posts
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Monday, October 13, 2008 1:08:52 PM
I repeat: just b/c people, I don't care how many people, believe in something that doesn't mean it's true. Thousands of years ago people believed the world was flat, slavery was good, and werewolves and vampires were real.Creation says out of nothing god created life. That hypothesis cannot be tested and proven in a lab, It's not science. For that to be scientifically verified every time we wanted to create life god should bust down the lab door and say,"get out of my way amateurs and let a pro handle this."
Evolution also says out of nothing came life, although this time there is proof. In the tiny intricate interactions of elements and chemicals. We have evidence for this. Just b/c creationists say "god did it" does not make it science. Sixclaws, I highly reccomend that you understand Common Ancestory before you debate it. |
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sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
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Monday, October 13, 2008 11:55:56 AM
QueenZira, your comment to me meant nothing. I told you I believed in creation and evolution, and you told me that meant I was a theist evolutionist. Call it whatever you please, I believe that the Judaic-Christian God created everything. Literally created it. And evolution took place in the millions of years life has been around, as it would have to in order to adapt and continue to exist in an ever changing world. I do not believe that my ancestors were pond scum, though yours may very well have been.Sorry, sorry, I didn't mean that. Joking. But if you are still confused by what I say let me know, I'll see if I can simplify it a little more. |
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elkingo
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
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Monday, October 13, 2008 11:19:02 AM
zira, you are probably the most illogical debater I have ever met. You now claim to have spirituality, but give a bunch of odd exceptions.. I don't quite understand you. (and, yes I do understand what the words mean.) Further more, I wasn't talking about the rational thought of children, but that of adults. You said it couldn't be argued empirically, and I provided you an empirical argument. You have to admit that since 85% of the people in the world follow some form of belief, that there must be some validity to that claim. Even Santa has a valid background.. somewhere in all the stories. To say that there is no validity to creation is to go against what 85% of the people of the world believe, in an honest opinion.. why do you think they believe it? It can't all be just because someone told them to believe it.. 85% of the world is brain washed? C'mon, use some rationale. |
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QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
601 Posts
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Monday, October 13, 2008 9:26:16 AM
And don't assume that i'm anti-religion or anti christianity. I happen to be spiritual myself, but what I cannot abide is religious bigotry, literalism, or militant anti-intellectualism |
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QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
601 Posts
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Monday, October 13, 2008 9:24:08 AM
Just b/c something is popular, or believed by many people, or that those people are honest about their belief does not make that belief true.Many children believe in santa claus, most children believe in santa claus, they believe it honestly, but that does not mean santa exists. You have provided a proof that a belief in god exists, you have not proved that god exists. I just told you about theistic evolution,*see comment to sixclaws* Evolution does not deny a belief in god. It does however go against crazies that insist on reading genesis literally.
And the whole E/C debate is revealed for what it really is, A bunch of religious nutters chasing their own tails over god. |
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elkingo
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1202 Posts
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Monday, October 13, 2008 7:47:34 AM
Huge forum debating why Talkingoriginns.org is nothing more than propaganda.zira: read and learn |
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