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buttersrules Male, 30-39, Australia
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Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:02:20 AM How did I know that this post would bring out the Christian nut jobs that feel the need to push their morals based on fanciful stories and imaginary friends in the sky.
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elkingo Male, 18-29, Eastern US
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 3:05:16 PM Notice the similarities in the HoW (Homo Women) and HeM (Hetro Male) and for the other.. its a clear case of development. Not present at birth. |
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elkingo Male, 18-29, Eastern US
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 3:03:06 PM Here you go.

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Samigator Female, 13-17, Canada
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:48:21 PM This has been known for a while about the brain and sexual orientation. I wish they had photos of the differences in the brain. |
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anomalis Male, 18-29, Southern US
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:27:34 AM with all due respect, just because the brains are different doesn't prove they were born that way. what if the way you think and the way you use your brain shapes it over time? this is something people don't think about. it's the same with 'illnesses' such as depression. what if you are depressed first which causes the chemical changes in your brain? they are one in the same. it isn't that your brain's screwy and that's why you feel sad. you feel sad and your brain SHOWS it. i think the same is true with this. a person is gay and their brain -shows- it, that doesn't necessarily PROVE that it -caused- it. even still, even if being gay IS a choice, nobody should still give a flying drat if someone is gay. :) just wanted to make clear that whether they're born with it or they choose it, i still don't see anything wrong with it. my real point here is that the argument shouldn't be about whether it's natural or a choice, the argument should be about the fact that it's nobody else's business |
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BoredomSux98 Female, 18-29, Midwest US
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:10:50 AM i like this article. |
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Poreka Female, 13-17, Europe
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 9:48:01 AM Lol, IAB debate. |
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itsallfake Male, 30-39, Eastern US
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:56:13 AM The only question that enters my brain when i think about all this is simply this. What if God doesn't even know the meaning of life, or the purpose of existence? What if the reason we were created in the first place was to observe life and existence as it was presented to God so that God can find the answers. Has he found it? Or are we doomed to repeat the process by creating life of our own, in our own image, so that we may understand the purpose of existence? |
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itsallfake Male, 30-39, Eastern US
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:53:19 AM That was not a message of peace, not wholly. These people practice peace and love but only if your part of the clique, the god clique. If your gay, or of a different religion, or even if your not in the born again club, then you might as well be from another planet. Personally i think its time for a modern mesiah, a new religion of God, one that embraces both peace/love AND the persuit of science and knowledge. Theres no reason they cant coexist. We should be able to accept that man is both a creation and an evolution. After all, isnt it the end result that matters? If the steps along the way took a illion years, thats OK. We live in a time where we are witness to the next step. All of these advanced sciences and discoveries are just the next steps we need to find God and the meaning of life. |
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itsallfake Male, 30-39, Eastern US
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:45:13 AM Look i like the "message" of christ. Peace and Love are great concepts and we should all attempt to follow. That means loving those who ARE gay, loving those who ARE violent, loving those who ARE different or have different opinions or views. I mean, look at christ's crew, vagabonds, harlotts, thieves. All of them, yet his message of peace and love brought them together. The story is great, yeah it has holes in it, it was edited even after the supposed eye witness account, but i dont take the bible or the new testament literally. The new testment is a message of peace and love, and i can agree on that, but because it has a demonic book that is attached to it, i cannot accept it as a religion. I want to believe in a god, a creator fo the universe. And i do, and i believe that everything man has discovered is just steps mankind is taking to be able to reach this creator. But i stood in church for 1/2 my life listening to the same thing day in and day out |
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itsallfake Male, 30-39, Eastern US
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:25:28 AM Well it's the next day and im back and WOW this thread asploded... Anywho... There's a couple of things id like to say and point out or whatever:1 - If you think all there is to evolution is what you learned (or forced to learn depending on your view) in highschool then im sorry to have to tell you that as complicated as THAT material is, its a VERY VERY simplistic analysis of evolution. Again i want to point out evolution is an entire branch of science, one in which people get PHDs in meaning year upon years of study and even then research is continued upon. 2 - I started reading the bible, page by page, word by word, not the cherry picking that pastors or priests like to do to make some sort of modern event or political view relevant. What i read disgusted me and i dropped my christian faith right then and there. "God" holds no value to human life and in fact rewards those who take it on his behalf. |
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contra64 Male, 18-29, Midwest US
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 3:24:01 AM Eh, to clarify some of the article. The amgydala is a special part of the brain that is generally immutable past the 8th month of fetal development. So to all of those people claiming environment or thought will rewire your brain, think of it as a difference between hardware and software. You're essentially stuck with the same hardware (amygdala) but different softwares can be loaded (some personality aspects, conscious choices...).What I eluded to in the previous post I can summarize briefly. There's been studies showing that the structural differences observed in gays are the result of differences in hormonal enviroments in the womb. To support some of what Maddog has said, the more boys a mother has, the more of a certain hormone she produces which has been shown to directly alter brain development (only shown in males but most gay studies are done on males). Geeze, just one of many examples I could cite but it's hard to talk bio chem to people that don't understand bio nor chem. |
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contra64 Male, 18-29, Midwest US
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 3:10:24 AM Heh, I don't post too often, just when I see extreme stupidity.Being a grad student in biochem (one more year and I'll have my phd) I'll let everyone in on a little secret- the general public is retarded when it comes to science. Too many people don't know what cells are, how genes work, what enzymes and hormones do, they don't understand basic biology (and have no idea about phys. nor chem.). This is important to note because then the media picks up studies and dumbs them down quite a bit to ensure broad understanding. So we aren't seeing all of the data, the conclusions, nor most importantly the background information which details why these studies are being done. Having read many journals specifically on protein differences with the gays, there is a very broad support that biology plays a large portion. This doesn't mean every 'gay' is biologically determined to be, but a large portion are. Of course I can back all of this up with respected journals- but lack the space. |
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Yaezakura Female, 18-29, Eastern US
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:40:01 AM "You are NOT born with it. It is a choice, a WRONG choice."Alright, keith2, do me a favor. Describe to me the moment you CHOSE to be straight. I do not mean the moment you realized ladies were attractive for the first time. I mean the moment you sat down and made a conscious decision of the fact you would only be attracted to females. Can't do it? Yeah, didn't think so. That's the kind of idiocy the "choice" argument is. We don't choose our orientation any more than you do. We do, of course, choose to ACT on that orientation, the same way heterosexual people choose to act on theirs, but we do not choose the orientation. We may choose to be an active part of the prominent gay lifestyle scene, but only in such a way as anyone chooses what scenes and social groups they wish to belong to, but again, the orientation is not chosen, or even required. There are, in fact, many straight supporters who are active members of the gay scene in most places. |
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davymid Male, 18-29, Europe
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:44:31 AM cefka, tog4tec, comments about fags and hoping they die soon are getting deleted. Any more of it in future, and I'm going to recommend you for banned status. I'm watching you two. Consider this a warning. |
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keith2 Male, 18-29, Midwest US
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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:30:21 PM You are NOT born with it. It is a choice, a WRONG choice. |
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TR-Wolf Male, 18-29, Europe
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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:46:40 PM Why would anyone find the need to concern themselves about what someone ELSE does in the privacy of their bedroom, let alone judge them for it? Its none of your business what I do, and none of my business what you do. Deal with it. |
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Khast Male, 30-39, Western US
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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:26:29 PM Personally, I don't see a problem with gays or lesbians. I strongly believe what goes on behind closed doors is none of mine, or your business. Irregardless if it goes against your moral grain.I do see a problem with public groping, but then again, I don't care if you are hetero, or gay....I don't want to see it. Take it elsewhere. Religious bashers? Yeah, and you are going to judge everyone for the wrong they do...well, have I got news for you...you aren't perfect either. And if you recall a certain passage in YOUR book... Let he who is without sin throw the first stone.....well...I'm waiting.... |
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B-b-beccah Female, 18-29, Canada
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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:50:04 PM ouch cefka. That hurt. I'm depressed and angry at myself for making this choice. I mean, I only did it for all the social benefits that it brings but you know what? You're right. I think I'm just going to off myself right now so you can live in your comfy little box a little while longer. Cheers! |
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Yaezakura Female, 18-29, Eastern US
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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 7:38:22 PM Wow. Knew this would spark a debate, but never figured it would go this long. ^_^;I would like to point out one flaw in the idea that homosexuality is a danger to the species. Humans are highly social creatures, like all great apes. It's one of the defining characteristics of our species. Homosexuals, who do not reproduce themselves, support greater society by helping to raise the children of others. This is also evidenced by the fact that the more children a mother has, the higher the likelihood that each successive child (at least in the case of males) will be homosexual. So, large extended families with homosexuals have people free of their own children to help rear the children of their siblings. In this way, homosexuality serves two vital biological functions by slowing population growth in a species that is far too numerous such as ourselves, and by offering a better social environment for our highly social species. |
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Vagrant86 Male, 18-29, Western US
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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:49:40 PM i agree with davy |
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elkingo Male, 18-29, Eastern US
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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:09:05 PM "Yeah, well alcoholic's brains are different than normal people's, and they aren't born alcoholics. Maybe thinking about doing men all the time changes their brain. I read a study that said that porn causes your brain to emit all these chemicals, and that is part of the reason people get addicted to it." Actually, that is because alcohol damages the brain, not because of thought processes. It shrinks the frontal lobes. |
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elkingo Male, 18-29, Eastern US
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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:06:54 PM As a psych student, they left out one very important detail anyone in intro to physiological psych should catch. Adult brains are developed. That means, as you get older the brain "develops", meaning it looses certain neurons that it doesn't need.. and sexual preference may be linked to brain hemisphere size, but it doesn't mean that it is set in stone, because infants all have the same brain basically. |
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davymid Male, 18-29, Europe
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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 5:02:49 PM To be fair Grossen, girl-on-girl action I can totally understand, but guy-on-guy, well, that's just wrong. |
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Grossen Male, 18-29, Eastern US
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Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:47:38 PM I've been saying the brains are different for years. Why else would guys be attracted to guys and girls attracted to girls? |
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