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Dear Mr. Obama Part 2: Economics 101

Hits: 6518 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: primetimekin
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sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2321 Posts
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 4:35:23 PM
Why won't people listen to people like this?

Ron Paul '08


najamesk1
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 195 Posts
Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:23:32 AM
Its amazing how the republicans have brain washed Americans today. the guy in the video explains how 'historical history' yada yada yada, or something like that.

well. history would tell me, that Democrat after Democrat have lead the nations econmoy to storm. Clinton was so close to a surplus during his tenure, if he could have served another term, the surplus would have been there, and the debt paied off by now.

and time and time again, has a democrate been the only party to properly manage the economy. i want this video post to look at american history again, starting with great depression, and tell me, how did the story end?



obhwfgirl
Female, 18-29, Western US
 584 Posts
Tuesday, September 16, 2008 2:37:44 PM
Also! Reganomics worked for a lot of people, but it was a swiss cheese type thing -- a lot of smaller groups were screwed over. The trickle down effect doesn't work either -- in the 80s, rich people used their tax breaks and invested in foreign markets. I would really love a tax plan that maybe didn't give the upper class such big breaks, but also gave the lower class a bigger one. Everyone knows that those tax breaks help people in the lower class afford the necessities, not the luxuries.

If someone could develop a capitalistic tax plan that benefited the economy as well as every socioeconomic level, they deserve a freaking peace prize or something.


obhwfgirl
Female, 18-29, Western US
 584 Posts
Tuesday, September 16, 2008 2:31:52 PM
1) Indpendent studies have confirmed that most big media is pretty neutral, but has a corporate bias.

2) I seriously dislike Bush, but the economy is not his fault. It's dumb people who took out loans they couldn't afford.

3) Tax breaks are great, but McCain tax breaks suck. $300 for lower class, $1000 for middle class, and $2600 for upper-middle class and a $270000 for the upper class. On the other hand, Obama's sucks too. $1000 for the lower class, $1300 for middle class, and upper-middle class $2200, but upper class will be taxed an additional 700000 a year. WTF??? My poor college status says that I want a bigger tax break under Obama, but the economy is such crap right now that foreign investors are coming in and buying up American stocks and property. By taking away the money from the upper class, we're reducing the chance of them also investing in American businesses. These are also the same people that own the companies that employ Americans.


Maelstrom_x
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1886 Posts
Sunday, September 14, 2008 10:33:36 PM
Obama is way too Socialist for my taste. As DuckBoy87 put it, Socialism is great on paper, but it sucks when you apply it in the real world.

That being said, I'm not voting for McCain. I was hoping for Romney, someone who would have been much stronger with the economy. I have many problems with McCain on varying issues, and I felt that his choice for VP was extremely poor.

To me, you don't vote for a pile of crap just because it stinks less than the other pile of crap. I only vote for someone who I feel is capable of running the country. This year I'm just going to vote for state/local elections.

Here's hoping to having better candidates to choose from in 2012.


Goublecoque
Male, 18-29, Europe
 88 Posts
Sunday, September 14, 2008 1:34:13 PM
Personally, i wouldn't vote for McCain and Palin, just for their policies on teaching creationism in schools, i think its wrong to corrupt children like that.

This video left out the Iraq war aswell, and didnt really make many factual points, just seemed like Obama bashing really.

Then again, im not american so what do i know eh.


Vagrant86
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2566 Posts
Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:23:07 AM
you're white, you cant criticize Obama how dare you.

<_<


personaomega
Female, 18-29, Western US
 1 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:27:07 PM
Take a look at history? Uhm... Do you realize that republicans in high ranking positions haven't /reduced/ government in a long time? All they've done is offered tax breaks to the highest in the totem pole in the hopes of trickledown. Also, they've become so religiously inclined that it's painful to watch. I'd be a republican, if they stood for reduction of government, but in reality, they're just corrupt religious extremists.

DuckBoy87
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2523 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:22:50 PM
Socialism and Communism works... (here comes the zinger) ... (a little longer) ... on paper!

Economics is a very tricky business, no pun intended.

<--- Voting for McCain, before and after Palin... not that it matters, the darn electoral college is the real decider.


britt566
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2313 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:52:32 PM
Who is everybody for? First I see people sooo for Obama. Then you see palin and its a different story kind of. Jesus

fedabog
Male, 18-29, Western US
 91 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:45:37 PM
PreoSmo: Orwell was a socialist. He was against Communism.

And yes...They are very much Different.


bliznik
Male, 30-39, Western US
 435 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:39:07 PM
Obello, the following information is quite dense, but if you really want it, here we go:

(1) Check the Tax Policy Center stats.
(2) Here is a incredibly detailed review of the Trickle Down Theory, with examples of how distribution of wealth affect different groups of people.
(3) Here is McCain's complete voting record. Concentrate particularly on Appropriations, and Budget, Spending, and Taxes.
(4) This is just a common sense argument. There's no hard stats for this one. I could cite you lots of papers on this subject, but they're more arguments than anything else. Personally, I believe in small government for e


obello
Male, 18-29, Canada
 29 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:35:01 PM
I just read what pizza kept saying (not verbatim) about how america needs a strong leader, how obama's speeches show his expirence, and then I read about Karl Marx. As you know, he wrote the Communist Manifesto and stated how the divide between the rich and the poor should not be there. Obama said in Germany how he is going to eliminate the barrier between the rich and the poor. Coincidence? (Propaganda FTW!)

obello
Male, 18-29, Canada
 29 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:20:06 PM
bliznik: please provide specific support on your four previous points, as to persuade an independent.

sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2321 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:23:18 PM
"No society has ever taxed itself into prosperity."

A-drating-men.


bliznik
Male, 30-39, Western US
 435 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:02:26 PM
Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. Making government smaller doesn't SOLVE problems, it AVOIDS problems by creating a void and hoping hoping hoping that the problems get solved by somebody who is not the government. If McCain shrinks government, he needs to have some policies in place that encourage more responsible parties to take over the responsibility void. And so far, he doesn't.

bliznik
Male, 30-39, Western US
 435 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:59:44 PM
This video grossly oversimplifies economics and distorts reality by solely attacking Obama without actually comparing his plan to McCain's. Obama's plan may have some consequences, but McCain's negative consequences completely dwarf Obama's.

(1) Despite Obama's inclination towards more government spending, McCain's policy will increase the deficit more.
(2) This video seems to attribute the "trickle-down theory" to taxing people who make over $250,000. And we all know that the "trickle down theory" only works on paper, and not in reality.
(3) For all of you who are for a "smaller government," look at McCain's voting policy for Bush's bloated government spending. His voting policy has bloated wasteful government spending quite a bit.
(4) Small government is great if somebody else takes responsibility (i.e. healthcare, alternative energy, housing). But when there is a responsibility VOID, the government needs to take over. Take, for example,


Vanwa
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 365 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 4:49:17 PM
You are also voting for abortion. Great job. >_>

soleado10er
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 42 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 4:04:25 PM
He's got no head!

slayjordan
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 13 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:00:07 PM
Sigh.

mrtatulas

"The main point of what I was saying remains the same."

That's impossible. You can't use false statistics to prove a point. That's just absurd.

Thats like me saying the sky is orange because hyrdrogen is red and oxygen is yellow, and when they mix it makes the sky turn orange, but only on non church days, because on church days it turns green out of envy for those who actually understand what the bible means.

In other words, once you tell a false statistic, the rest of your post is discredited and means nothing.

And really..."I was in a hurry." If you're talking about the future of the United States, it's best not get in a hurry, unless you have to go jump and down to make the sky turn pink or something.


starrstreet
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 400 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:30:12 PM
I try not to get my information from 24 News Stations, they're all HORRIBLE. Horrible, horrible, horrible. I go to them for laughs maybe and reassurance in some of my opinions but I don't go there to get facts and even news coverage, that's just silly.

I have done my research and read both sides of the arguments and came up with a different opinion, thanks. I respect that you came up with something different so don't go around calling people idiots because you don't know how they have formed their opinion.


primetimekin
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 8111 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:05:19 PM
"They are JUST as biased as every other news station out there so don't try really hard to pretend they are not."

thats what I say, but everyone makes Fox to be worse than the rest.


PreoSmo
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 466 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:52:59 AM
Pizza, you keep saying that all the references primetime has are propaganda. Yet you reference Obama's speeches. Which are also propaganda. Pizza, have you GONE to Obama's site and downloaded is 'plan for America'? It's terrifying.

Someone asked me if, by saying that the media is liberally run, do I mean that people are naturally born conservative until the media steps in? No, I didn't even imply that. What I mean is some people are brought up conservative and some liberal. But the average American doesn't read into things anymore. Pizza, I invite you go go and start reading arguments against Obama. Go and raed essays against him and keep an open mind. Do in-depth research before you come out spewing what you are. Reading all pro-Obama things isn't research because you are only getting one side.

And FOxnews is supposed to be conservative but it's been blurring the line lately.


starrstreet
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 400 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:52:19 AM
People who blame the liberal media would NEVER claim Fox being biased as well. Hmmm wonder why, OH, its because they share their views.

Understand that they are doing the same thing they are criticizing others for.

FSTV, seriously, get it somehow.


starrstreet
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 400 Posts
Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:49:08 AM
Show's on Fox go around with the whole Fair and Balanced and that they aren't biased in their understandings and takes on everything makes me sick. They are JUST as biased as every other news station out there so don't try really hard to pretend they are not.

Yes, they're all biased in a way, its true, THEY ARE NOT ROBOTS. Why can't celebrities and people in popular music have an opinion and voice it, are they not part of this country too?

Ugh watch FSTV channel 9415 on Dish if you have it, there's real news for you. That is how I've formed my opinions.


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