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Sex Changes Now Offered for Kids

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burnin_roses
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 292 Posts
Wednesday, May 28, 2008 12:04:17 PM
so to all those poeple saying they need therapy, or they need to grow think about now how immature and the teachings they are getting but think about what will be on their top minds wanting a toy at the store or thinking about how to plan their new sex change ( do you really think a child that dont want a sex change would really care)

burnin_roses
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 292 Posts
Wednesday, May 28, 2008 12:01:30 PM
To all the poeple saying that these kids just need to go to therapy until they are old enough

what kind of life would that be going to a person telling you "ok so how do you feel about that" all the damn time, i dont think im another gender but i have been to therapy on my anger problems and poo like that and it pisses you off even more

so what 3 4 5 6 and so on year old want to sit down with a stranger another adult tell them they have a problem when all that kid wants is what they want

the child wont be making any of that up they know what the want when they want it, and if the kid didnt think they wernt another gender they wouldnt even think or know twice about a sex change they wouldnt really care that isnt on their top list of things to do in life

but if a child feels like they are in the wrong sking then yeah they are going to talk about it,

a child that isnt they reall wont give a dam


DDylan
Male, 13-17, Europe
 98 Posts
Saturday, May 24, 2008 8:47:07 AM
3R1N - you are female (unless you accidentally clicked the wrong one :P )
Would you prefer to be male or female? If they found out that you had a hormonal problem and were becoming male, would you seek medical help to stop it?

I am guessing that you would say that whatever, you wouldn't want to change. You would want to stay who you are; as female.

I want to have a male body in the same way you wouldn't. I am male in the same way that you are female.


3R1N
Female, 13-17, Europe
 141 Posts
Saturday, May 24, 2008 7:09:54 AM
I don't think transgenderism is wrong, but i don't understand it.
The gender roles don't exist anymore, so you could be a feminine man, or a really macho woman.
But then if its just how they physically look, isnt isn't it just that you are attracted to the opposite gender?
I really cant my head around why someone would want to be a different gender.

DDylan
Male, 13-17, Europe
 98 Posts
Saturday, May 24, 2008 1:39:56 AM
(true story)
A mother came home one day to find her 12 year old son in the kitchen, holding a knife above his penis saying "I'm gonna cut it off". This was how bad the problems for him and gone.
His mother decided to take him to the USA where you could pay for a sex change (here in england i think its mainly NHS but hard to get as you cant just pay for it to happen).

I think the line is drawn on how much stress it deals to the child. However strong you are, some things that happen to one child may be vastly worse than another child could imagine. It would be like saying that an epileptic child was weak for having fits with neon lights.

I'm not sure myself on the age hormonal treatments should be given. I'd say it depended on the child's maturity rather than a given age. But hormone blockers would be good as all they do is allow the child to reach an age where their opinions are more reliable.


gorgokid333
Male, 13-17, Western US
 228 Posts
Friday, May 23, 2008 3:58:06 PM
lol "i dont know this program intamatly" lol

priceless


Nataly
Female, 18-29, Europe
 71 Posts
Friday, May 23, 2008 2:57:52 PM
>whole mass view on world in Europe and in the States seems to claim something different, that the goal of life is to become what you are in all terms. Sounds great, but can you say what you are? I personally think that if I let myself decide that in absolutely all terms, I would only harm myself, all the more today I think this way and tomorrow I think another. If you consider yourself responsible enough to do that, I sincerely congratulate you. Who knows, maybe that's what liberty means...

Nataly
Female, 18-29, Europe
 71 Posts
Friday, May 23, 2008 2:50:25 PM
>that fever about expressing some inner, "pressured" nature in US. I let others decide for themselves, but from my extremely conservative and Orthodoxal point of view (which I don't even mean to impose) a person should take what he's done - if he cannot do without mutilating his body, well, that's a weak person. I repeat, I don't want you to think so and I perfectly understand those who support the opposite idea - believe me! (I just get confused by the scope sometimes, the fact of spreading such things in school really shocked me), but that's the way I live myself. What a person is, what he wants... Ya know, I could claim I'm a lesbian right now (I have enough proofs by the moment, except for the fact I'm a virgin) and start to strive for my rights, but I just don't want to. Vagina? Okay! Penis? I would live happily with it. If a person is healthy, he is capable to say the same. Again, I don't deny that there are some who are incapable, but what bothers me is that the who

Nataly
Female, 18-29, Europe
 71 Posts
Friday, May 23, 2008 2:34:22 PM
>1) Gender and Sex are considered as separate things in Psychology. Gender is hats on the inside, Sex is hat's on the outside.
2) Sexuality is a totally separate subject.


Thanks for bringing a bit of clearness, sorry if I misused some terms, they just don't differ in my native language.

DDylan, very clever point indeed, but tell me one thing: where is the border? You see, I suppose there can be none for a little child who hardly even imagine what could his choice lead to, otherwise we would let 7 year-olds choose a profession. Second, I believe (and that's a scientifical fact) people do not born with developed sexuality, so a normal brain will feel quite comfortable in a token body, if not... Well, I highly greet helping ill people, but I asked you to imagine a real situation - a helping parent and a child who just hasn't formed yet. Yes, frankly I just can't trust medicine in this case and think where must be too many mistakes. Besides, I actually poorly understand all t


citadel
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 486 Posts
Friday, May 23, 2008 1:46:00 PM
just wow, i agree for a couple of years i woulda done something like thatand now i would have regreted it

Night_Mystic
Female, 18-29, Canada
 65 Posts
Friday, May 23, 2008 12:32:18 PM
they should wait until they are done puberty to do sex changes because who knows what it will do to their health in the long run. Most of the people who do sex changes now are full grown adults, i think it'd be more beneficial for tranny kids to wait.

03swalker
Male, 18-29, Europe
 61 Posts
Friday, May 23, 2008 11:24:19 AM
Right, lets get some things straight on here
1) Gender and Sex are considered as separate things in Psychology. Gender is hats on the inside, Sex is hat's on the outside.
2) Sexuality is a totally separate subject.

Now that's out of the way
Gender disorders are a recognised medical condition, aqnd as such those ho are diagnosed with it need treatment.
How do you get diagnosed with it?
By jumping through large hoops - finding a Doctor and Psychologist who have experience with such issues, getting the actual diagnosis, working out how you'll pay for the treatment which can last for several years. The actual psychological evaluations are rigorous to seperate transgenderism from other disorders that it can be confused with by your average joe.

Those who have become transgendered often have often said that they knew from a young age that they were in the wrong body, even if they didn't know such a knowledge had a name.

Hence I fully support this - as it would make it ea


DDylan
Male, 13-17, Europe
 98 Posts
Friday, May 23, 2008 3:36:40 AM
"How can't a person who is supposed to tolerate other's lacks tolerate the fact he is not exactly what he would like to be?"

You missed the difference Nataly.
We may WANT to be someone else. We may WANT to be able to fly or be pretty or whatever.

But we ARE what we say our gender is. It is NOT a WANT or a NEED even, but it is something that we ARE.


DDylan
Male, 13-17, Europe
 98 Posts
Friday, May 23, 2008 3:33:12 AM
For the people that can't understand transgenderism:
I always think it is difficult for you to imagine what it would be like if you wanted to become the opposite gender.

So imagine this:
If you are male, imagine waking up tomorrow with breasts. If you are female, imagine a penis. You are still yourself, but you suddenly have the genatelia of the opposite gender. Plus, everyone suddenly starts treating you as that.
You are not going to be able to adapt, because you would still be male, or still be female.

That is what transsexuals are like from the day we are born. It is not something that we can live with and get over, and it is not out of vanity or pride or anything else.

It is real, whatever the lucky people without the problem say.


ThursdayLark
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 663 Posts
Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:19:33 PM
"Aren't the right gender?! You guys are dumb-asses. If you're born a male, male is the right gender for you. Nature doesn't make mistakes."

Yup. Nature never makes genetic mistakes. Being born without certain chromosomes which causes downsyndrome never happens. It never make prenatal developmental mistakes either. Cleft lips and conjoined twins don't exist.


PaulaJenel
Female, 50-59, Midwest US
 9 Posts
Thursday, May 22, 2008 7:38:30 PM
kikayoaka; Aren't the right gender?! You guys are dumb-asses. If you're born a male, male is the right gender for you. Nature doesn't make mistakes.

WOW So much hate, and for what. Do you know any transsexual people. Don't say no so fast because we are every where.

As for nature makeing no mistakes. Remember the mutated frogs found in Minnesota a few years ago. What about conjoined twins. How many examples should I list.


Nataly
Female, 18-29, Europe
 71 Posts
Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:13:50 PM
>efore posting. Oh...

Nataly
Female, 18-29, Europe
 71 Posts
Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:13:23 PM
>deal with it like I did with the fact I will never be a fly (and I did suffer much) - for all the healthy but suggestible children's sake? In modern US you can have any job, make love to any adult, male or female, say anything, do quite anything... Call me heartless, but isn't that enough? Is lack of breast or penis so deadly for a civilizated, intelligent, widely educated person who knows that it is mind which is essential for a human, not a body? How can't a person who is supposed to tolerate other's lacks tolerate the fact he is not exactly what he would like to be? God, who of us is all pleased with himself/herself? I recall that neat South Park episode in which Kyle's father decided to become a dolphin - that's one of the most truthful, I think... I don't call upon to follow nature or, all the more, God, but why wouldn't we learn some patience instead of striving for absolutely undisturbed life which is impossible?..
(Sorry for a long post and not reading all the comments b

kikayoaka
Male, 70 & Over, Midwest US
 349 Posts
Thursday, May 22, 2008 4:57:41 PM
Aren't the right gender?! You guys are dumb-asses. If you're born a male, male is the right gender for you. Nature doesn't make mistakes.

Nataly
Female, 18-29, Europe
 71 Posts
Thursday, May 22, 2008 4:48:38 PM
(continuation) Serious professional investigation? Tell me about it. From what I know, psychiatry didn't invent anything more serious than a plain talk and a punch of tests showing controversial results. (Sorry, psychiatrists, if such are here, I don't want to call your science stupid, it's just not enough exact yet, as I see).
Finally, even with the best methods it must be nearly impossible to find out a child's preference because at the time of investigation he/she IS investigating his/her gender special treats and stereotypical behaviour, IS becoming a man or a woman. A newborn has psychichally no gender, his/her mind adapts oneself to the physical one under the pressure (time to hoot) of nature. If a big clever doctor's pressure comes along anything can get confused. And if there is a real, true, doubtless disorder (which must have place once in at least 50 years, for I have seen and heard of none - here I mean cases consdering 7 year-old children) why can't such a person just

Nataly
Female, 18-29, Europe
 71 Posts
Thursday, May 22, 2008 4:29:07 PM
As a child I used to play with toy cars, I absolutely hated typical girls and loved everything that would a typical boy's life give me. I strongly willed to become a boy, but more I wanted to be a fly (I remember I would give away everything for that), a cat, a dinosaur... I still get a little frustrated imagining what I will have to face when someday I give birth to my child and bring him or her up. But - guess what? - I perfectly deal with it and I used to think my attitude was natural before I saw the video.
Please, come on... What the hell is being in the wrong body after all? It's easy to make up some disorder, but how are you going to state it? I'm not a doctor so I won't deny the possibility of such a disease but think practical: who among tomgirls or femboys will agree to change one's gender after a convincing talk on how it's essential and vital (and laudable for you're exrpressing your true nature without fear!)? If not everyone, then many, I believe.

farquaadhnch
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1224 Posts
Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:40:08 AM
My only question is that I want to know what tests have been done on the treatment that prevents puberty? My only concern is the well-being of the child, and making sure there isn't any side-effect that would out-weigh the benefits of having more time to decide. I completely agree that when you know, you know, but I just want them to be safe.

JeffHatesYou
Male, 18-29, Europe
 205 Posts
Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:00:14 AM
Transgenderism is a real medical condition, and it should not be taken lightly. You have to live with your body for your whole life.

Imagine how hard it would be to be born in the body of the sex you really don't want to be. I can't even begin to imagine.

Everyone, try not to be so narrow-minded. Just because it is something you can't grasp, doesn't mean it's not there and that it's making people's lives really miserable.

To get back to the video: they can get so much more help just by getting this done earlier. They were NOT talking about surgery, but hormone treatment. I'm not sure if they're talking about delaying puberty or starting the actual transition. Either way, it's good. It's best to start as early as possible.

Much respect to PaulaJenel, DDylan and also ThursdayLark for clarifying some of this.


Lou-Saydus
Male, 13-17, Western US
 217 Posts
Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:47:03 AM
"Normally I would say that the kids should wait to make sure that it's the right decision, but trust me, transgenders absolutely know when they aren't the right gender." absolutely true, I think this is great.

PaulaJenel
Female, 50-59, Midwest US
 9 Posts
Thursday, May 22, 2008 7:37:47 AM
There is some misinformation here. First NO Doctor any where will perform G.R.S. (Gender Reassignment Surgery) until the person is at least 18. As DDylan has said going through puberty in the wrong body is extremely painful. Had he or I been allowed to have treatment early in life he would now have a normal male body and I would have a normal female body. Yes hormones over a extended period will result in being sterile. Guess what? I will be after the surgery anyhow. What about the million's of people that are regardless? The truth is if you do not live with this you really have no clue just how disruptive it is to our lives. People really need to educate them selves before commenting on subject they know nothing about.

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