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Why Women Need Feminism [Pic]

Hits: 4944 | Rating: (1.7) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: llaa
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jaysingrimm
Male, 30-39, Canada
 411 Posts
Sunday, August 10, 2014 11:01:57 AM
After a long debate, I have come to realize something:

I need feminism because OTHERS need feminism...

Women are still being withheld certain rights granted to men in our own backyards.

Everyone should have the right to an opinion as to the state of equality. They should be allowed to assemble, and express their opinions in a lawful manner.

Holding a sign probably won't stop a crime today, but it may shape better attitudes for tomorrow, and stop a crime from happening to your children, or grandchildren.

fantasoix
Male, 40-49, Western US
 37 Posts
Sunday, August 10, 2014 8:06:47 AM
What is feminism anyways? Is it the absurd notion that woman have equal rights?

liabach
Male, 40-49, Western US
 926 Posts
Saturday, August 09, 2014 11:49:47 PM
I dont get upset when they ask "Who hired the stripper" when i first show up at work. I just get straight to the tea-baggin.

MelCervini
Female, 40-49, Eastern US
 1172 Posts
Saturday, August 09, 2014 10:51:10 PM
wow @SPrinkZ! Walk off a cliff? How progressive of you! LOL Why should I have to carry a gun? because no amount of signs and hashtags are going to stop a rapist from being a rapist. Do you lock your doors at night? why? just throw up a hashtag and 'teach them not to be thieves ormurderer you in your sleep?" don't you see the idiocy of that? Seriously? Its the same as expecting a retraining order to stop a person hell-bent on revenge.

Trust me, dear... I am FAR from prey (I actually took a few minutes to lmfao at that one) I'm also wise enough to know that if someone wishes me harm, I better be able to defend myself and I choose a hollow-point at high velocity. (when I can pee 1800 feet per second, I'll consider that as an optional rape-deterrent) If I walked around with a lil sign and expected that to stop a crime... THEN I would be stupid.

llaa
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1053 Posts
Saturday, August 09, 2014 8:19:48 PM
No way tree, you guys want too much CO2. We men need CO2 to breathe just as much as any tree, but the trees want more unequally!

Can't you see its trees that are the problem with feminism!

A good tree is a chopped down tree.

Get in the fireplace tree and roast my chestnuts!

iamatree
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 315 Posts
Saturday, August 09, 2014 6:42:04 PM
I need feminism because I'm a tree.

jaysingrimm
Male, 30-39, Canada
 411 Posts
Saturday, August 09, 2014 3:26:10 PM
More statistics that are "magical round numbers", with no references, links or citations..another non-argument...and in more ways than one...

Were you also the one that pointed out that the majority of murder victims are men, without pointing out that the majority are also committed by men?

Nobody is stopping you from advocating the rights of men...to raise awareness...so it's no argument that we shouldn't allow women to fight for rights too. Maybe there are more women's shelters because more women are writing to government, instead of posting comments in a forum...if you're suggesting we force "battered" women to share housing with men, or vice versa, I don't even know where to start...

Being that you ignored my question as to whether women can go topless where you live, I take it they can't...

Why don't you stop being a hypocrite then, and actually argue for EVERYONE's rights...

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 333 Posts
Saturday, August 09, 2014 12:46:29 PM
60% of domestic violence occurs towards women. 90% of domestic violence shelters exclusively serve women. Opening another women's shelter is not fighting for equality.

jaysingrimm
Male, 30-39, Canada
 411 Posts
Saturday, August 09, 2014 12:38:29 PM
Please don't be surprised if I don't entertain any more non-arguments...

jaysingrimm
Male, 30-39, Canada
 411 Posts
Saturday, August 09, 2014 12:36:13 PM
Seeing as you haven't made an argument, I am forced to make a supposition as to what it is: You believe that because women are fighting for women's rights, they are therefore fighting for a state of inequality. That assumes that there is a current state of equality which I'm not certain that there is or isn't.

Can you prove there is? I know in my lifetime, women have fought for and won the right to go "topless" where I live. Do they have that same right where you live? Are you certain they have nothing left to fight for? Are they not always entitled to an opinion as to the state of equality?

You should also consider what happens IF you could prove that feminist groups are fighting for inequality....I would suggest that, that may cause them to be outlawed in many areas. I'm still not sure why you want to stop supporting the rights of women, because there isn't adequate support for men..

jaysingrimm
Male, 30-39, Canada
 411 Posts
Saturday, August 09, 2014 12:31:11 PM
@Kree
Not sure what your point is, because you never really made one....

I don't see how wanting the "personal equality of women" contradicts the definition provided. There is no mention of fewer rights for men. Again I believe, you confuse WHAT they want with the means SOME are willing to use.

But if you are suggesting that "St. John's" is an "extremist" group, you have yet to truly prove it. Secondly, if and when you do, you still need to show that, that is "the norm" (Seeing as your following that line of arguing).

Your other option is to find information from a source we both can agree on, that shows the definition is inaccurate.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 333 Posts
Saturday, August 09, 2014 3:57:55 AM
We don't even need to get to the picture
"The Johns Status of Women Council actively promotes the social, economic and personal equality of women. We are a feminist, pro-choice and nonpartisan womens organization. Integral to that role is the operation of the Womens Centre, a non-profit charitable organization that offers support and services within a safe space to all women in the community. In 2011 The St Johns Status of Women Council opened Marguerites place, a supportive housing program for women in St Johns."

Opening paragraph.

jaysingrimm
Male, 30-39, Canada
 411 Posts
Saturday, August 09, 2014 12:42:19 AM
@Angi: "...don't expect a reply"

That would probably be for the best...unless you want to address my concerns:

When have you even shown that you distinguish the difference between individual feminists? Only after I first pointed it out? Where have you posted a link to show "what is common to all feminists"?

@Angi: "Speak for yourself, you babbling fool. You don't speak for me, so stop claiming you do. You don't speak for anyone else, let alone several billion people"

Why should you speak for all feminists?

jaysingrimm
Male, 30-39, Canada
 411 Posts
Saturday, August 09, 2014 12:41:04 AM
You have made other suppositions:

@Kree: "Mr Pedo Bear, Having read many of your comments, I have begun to doubt that you are 70 years of age or older..."

@Angi: "I didn't write that."

No, you didn't. I apologize for not better directing my comments. I will try to do so moving forward. I will even amend and repost my past couple of comments...

jaysingrimm
Male, 30-39, Canada
 411 Posts
Saturday, August 09, 2014 12:34:03 AM
@Kree
You mean the post itself? The first pic reads, "I need feminism because EVERYONE deserves to be safe in their homes and on the streets"

How does that prove that the definitions provided are inaccurate? You remember the link to the WIKI page I linked to? Why would I link to a feminist page? Thats probably not the first place I'd look for info, but you're the one challenging my definition, saying its REALLY something else. I've challenged you to link to a page to disprove it. You could have done the sensible thing and find an "extremist" feminist page yourself (I'm sure they exist) for quotes or something but you didn't. I would have then asked you to show it to be "the norm"...

Instead, I will now ask that you stop wasting time, and find a page that we can BOTH agree on...

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11327 Posts
Friday, August 08, 2014 9:04:03 PM
But I'm not painting you all with the same brush...that would be wrong...


Yes it would because you're not refering to an ideology but the lack of it. All those who choose to follow an ideology must agree with the essential tenets of that ideology (or else they wouldn't choose to follow it). All those who do not follow that ideology have nothing in common save not agreeing with it.

In a similar way, it is reasonable to say that all Christians have faith in the existence of the Abrahamic god and that Jesus was the Messiah but it is not reasonable to say that all non-Christians are devil worshippers, atheists or indeed anything other than not Christians.

You're making out that two different things are the same.

You're also continuing with the "paint with the same brush" line even though you know it's wrong.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11327 Posts
Friday, August 08, 2014 8:57:16 PM
That would probably be for the best...unless you want to address my concerns:


I've done so repeatedly, but you won't accept it unless I edit it into a Wiki page and give you a link to it.

Can you provide me with evidence that the Catholic church does not practice or advocate catholicism and is an organisation solely for the purpose of religious equality? And no, a Wiki page will not do. Or perhaps you'd prefer to not address that.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11327 Posts
Friday, August 08, 2014 8:51:46 PM
Actually I am neither for or against "feminism"...I support their right to free speech, to assembly etc.


So do I. Same as I do for other biological group advocacy ideologists. What I don't support is calling that equality.

But again, you haven't cited any evidence that the "feminist ideology" is "wholly dependant on the belief that a persons sex defines who they are"


I have, repeatedly. Would it help if I wrote it on a website and gave you a link to it? I haven't given you a link to a Wiki article saying that water is wet, either. Does that mean it isn't?

You have made other suppositions:

"Mr Pedo Bear,

Having read many of your comments, I have begun to doubt that you are 70 years of age or older..."



I didn't write that. If I edit it into a page on Wikipedia and give you a link to it, will you believe me then?

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 333 Posts
Friday, August 08, 2014 8:00:48 PM
No you see, in this thread we have had a total of 1 feminist group linked. The original one. Because this feminist group does not work towards equality, but female empowerment, we have 100% of the current sample being evidence for my statement.

I do not need to disprove any further. It is now up to you to provide a single example of a feminist group that does not agree with my observation of them. 2 would be ideal, as it would mean the majority as as you say versus just 50%.

jaysingrimm
Male, 30-39, Canada
 411 Posts
Friday, August 08, 2014 7:51:22 PM
I've already linked to the WIKI page, defined feminism (contrary to what you seem to believe it to be), and even made a counter-point against it, all from the first few paragraphs. It's up to you to disprove the definitions provided...

As I mentioned, I am neither for, nor against it. I support their right to free speech, assembly, etc.

I think you are confusing WHAT feminists want, with the means in which SOME are trying to achieve it...

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 333 Posts
Friday, August 08, 2014 6:58:17 PM
As I said before, in my experience the vast majority of feminists have not been for equality, but for female empowerment. This is not painting with the same brush, but a distillation of my experiences. Even this very thread is based upon one of these groups. Once again I would invite you to change my mind. Link me to any feminist propaganda that you believe to be for equality.

As for your statement, once again, I am not against feminism. I just believe they are lying to themselves about their mission statement.

llaa
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1053 Posts
Friday, August 08, 2014 6:56:54 PM
I suspect Angilion had his heart broken, he's coming from a dark place. Kinda hard to argue with him when he's of that spectrum.

Poor widdle guy.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 333 Posts
Friday, August 08, 2014 6:48:51 PM
I do not want to replace or remove feminist groups. I just wish for them to acknowledge that their primary purpose is not equality, but the promotion of women.

Also it would be nice if some of them were nicer to men, but that is an individualistic thing not a group thing.

jaysingrimm
Male, 30-39, Canada
 411 Posts
Friday, August 08, 2014 6:48:01 PM
While I do commend the two of you for fighting for true equality, it's important to note that the majority of people opposing feminism here have made comments like,

"I need femenism because then I know which women need to be backhanded, raped and called a slut."

"As demonstrated by these 'freakshows' holding idiotic signs..."

"I would've read all of those but the screen was menstruating"

"If they were worth a damn, they wouldn't need feminism.
Having said that I'd give fifty bucks for jade earrings."

But I'm not painting you all with the same brush...that would be wrong...

jaysingrimm
Male, 30-39, Canada
 411 Posts
Friday, August 08, 2014 6:41:03 PM
"Point two, equalism is a legitimate movement growing in numbers"

Excellent...are there groups you can join and support, and maybe eventually replace the desire for feminist groups? Instead of the reverse order?

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