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Ex-Israeli Soldier Speaks Out...

Hits: 2204 | Rating: (1.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: paperduck
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paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1706 Posts
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 3:47:41 PM
@whosaidwhat I understand your point. Maybe he meant some and said all, or incorrectly believes that point. If it was a lone individual in a sea of otherwise colorful first-person accounts, I would be perfectly content dismissing much of what he said. However, there's many other personal accounts and whole websites dedicated to so-called "refuseniks" who refuse to serve in the IDF on moral grounds that corroborate with testimonials of Palestinians and reports of human rights groups. So I feel warrant listening. One such example site is here..

WhoSaidWhat
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 198 Posts
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 1:25:23 PM
@paperduck

Throwing out the baby with the bath water? Not at all. If I told flagrant, easily dis-proven lies like that, would you believe anything I said?

pitibull
Male, 18-29, Europe
 24 Posts
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:47:50 PM
Again, someone uploads a video of ONE PERSON claiming stuff, and everyone thinks it's true and represents anything.
If you do 5 mins of research (google even) you'll find pretty quickly he's an "arab-jew-femenist activist" (his words). Putting it simply, he's pro anything that will give him enough attention and money (donations accepted on his website). And if those won't work, he'll probably be pro-animal-rigts or something else.

I just find it hard to belive an arab who supposedly grew up, studied and served in the IDF(?!) in Israel. Just doesn't add up.

Anyway, the entire video/texts are pure bull. If you don't think this guy is an arab propaganda just go check his facebook page (yea those are arab letters/signes in the pictures around!).

If you want an Israeli soldier to tell you what's going on in the IDF, find an authentic one yourself and ask him, it's not hard. Just don't eat the poo served directly into ur mouth.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25283 Posts
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:56:22 AM
@llaa: One airport almost -20- years ago is a "far cry" from EVREY police force in the USA... not arguing! Just sayin...

No doubt: They've helped other security forces, that just makes common sense! And other intelligence forces have helped them too.

But still not REMOTELY like what is suggested here... eh?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17036 Posts
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:41:28 AM
llaa: If the TSA was taught by Shin Bet, it wouldn't be hell on earth to try and get on a plane these days.

El Al profiles it's customers, weeks in advance, they do background checks, check on your accommodations, rental car, business, etc. If you purchase a ticket last minute or your background has flaws they'll screen you more thoroughly.

The way we do it sucks and leads to 80 year old grandmothers getting cavity searched, which is ridiculous.

llaa
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1056 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 11:43:54 PM
Shin Bet does train security and designs security protocols around the world. Chicago O'Hare's security system was designed by Shin Bet back in the late 90s.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17036 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 9:09:20 PM
Listypoos: I don't know where your "rich playboys" tirade came from, but it's completely off base.

"the obvious conclusion is that maybe", you should try laying off the caffeine next time, because in your raging type rush you couldn't even spell Occam correctly.


paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1706 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 5:59:43 PM
@whosaidwhat I don't disagree on your point, he may have misspoke on that point, but wasn't that peripheral information? Aren't you throwing out the baby with the bath water?

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2580 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 5:22:24 PM
"I have a feeling this guy is saying this crap for the same reasons Kerry did then, for attention and political points."

Yeah, some people lie like that... like I have this feeling that rather than fat, lazy wasters who complain poo like 'oh i can't work... i can't do anything [type type type type...keyboard tappity tap..writing war and peace in their spaz time]... they're really immaculately dressed rich playboys just saying they're ugly fat right-wingers... for attention.

Or we could take the Occamm's razor approach and admit, that if he's been there and done it.. then telling people about it... well, let's face it, the obvious conclusion is that maybe he's just telling the truth.


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17036 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 4:31:52 PM
There are steadfast liberals in every culture. John Kerry once falsely claimed that his fellow boat mates killed Vietnamese indiscriminately. That lie came back to haunt him when he vied to be president.

I have a feeling this guy is saying this crap for the same reasons Kerry did then, for attention and political points.

bdowner60
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 488 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 3:27:21 PM
Fake!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25283 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 2:41:40 PM
@piperfawn: "Jews make the best anti-Semites" - Old Jewish Saying.

YES! He could be the most vicious anti-Semite since STALIN as far as I know or care.
I can base my reply on the text posed, at least I'm honest enough to admit I didn't watch the video NOR AM I commenting on it. Unlike MANY members of the IAB Liberal Brigade... (not picking on you @piperfawn).

Thanks @WhoSaidWhat: That's a WHOPPER of a lie, isn't it? And right there, plain as daylight.
Still: they swallowed it. Amazing.

WhoSaidWhat
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 198 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 1:11:22 PM
I have to back 5Cats on this one, due to one sentence:

"All police departments in the US are trained by the Israeli military and are taught the same brutal tactics used against Palestinians"

That is a blatant lie. While I don't doubt that the situation in Israel is horrible, I refuse to listen to anything else this guy says. If he had said "some police departments", or even "most police departments", I might believe him. But with a flat out lie like what I referenced above, I don't believe anything he says. This is nothing more than propaganda. Both sides (Israel and Hamas) are at fault, and are acting like a bunch of two-year-olds fighting over a toy.

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3887 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 10:22:43 AM
This is exactly the problem,you think it's a waste of time to watch this video. Do you think that this israeli soldier coming from a zionist family is an antisemite? If you say so,i'm sorry but you loose credibility.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25283 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 10:11:43 AM
@Zeegrr60: Huh? That's HIGHLY oversimplified!

How about... John Kerry? HE DENOUNCED his own nation, but now he's their #3 representative! Just one example of hundreds...

How about the deserter Obama traded terrorists for? He defected to the enemy... Soldiers are "people" after all, they "go nuts" in a variety of ways, just like everyone.

@piperfawn: My comments are directed at the text provided, I'm not wasting 40 minutes on lies and propaganda, NOR am I commenting on it! UNLIKE many IAB Liberals, who don't even LOOK before they attack, I have read the text. It's (mostly) garbage.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12218 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 10:09:50 AM
The world should end all military and quasi-military support of Israel and impose a total embargo war and implement meaningful sanctions.

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3887 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 10:06:58 AM
5Cats i suggest you to watch the video first. Don't you think is the correct thing to do if you want to criticize it?

Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1932 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 9:54:55 AM
So when an A soldier from Israel goes nuts,he talks a bunch of crap. When a U.S. Soldier goes nuts, he kills a butt-load of people. Hmmm...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25283 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 9:41:05 AM
Blah Blah Blah undocumented propaganda.

#11 & #12: WTF? What sort of CRAP are you trying to feed us @paperduck? That ISRAEL is brainwashing police forces all over the world? Oh those tricky Jews!!! ALL POLICE in the USA???



#8 So?
#10 Now that's "tinfoil hat" terriroty: You're claiming that residents of GAZA cannot tell the difference between an IDF Jew and their OWN CLERICS in the Mosques? F-dat, it's absolute crap.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1706 Posts
Sunday, July 27, 2014 6:29:08 AM
Link: Ex-Israeli Soldier Speaks Out... [Rate Link] - Internalize this account to get a inside perspective on the conflict.


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