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5 Israeli Talking Points Debunked [Pic+]

Hits: 2671 | Rating: (1.8) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: paperduck
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relineiran
Male, 40-49, Asia
 1 Posts
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:38:26 PM
I have done a complete analysis on 5 Israeli Talking Points Debunked , please read it if you want to know the truth.
Red Line Iran - Debunking the Debunking 5 Israeli Talking Points

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26650 Posts
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:18:03 PM
@Nickle2: Nope! I've seen it, repeatedly. You've been BLOODY rude to boot!
And you know it. You know what you wrote, I need "prove" nothing.

Go away> Not from IAB, but from me. You can join many of your IAB Liberal Brigade brethren in "the doghouse" of shame.

Nickel2
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4874 Posts
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:16:58 AM
5cats.
'@Nickle2: You've suggested several times that "Jews control" various things. Naked anti-Semitism. Not my problem. Rant all you like.'

Please feel free to copy and paste the 'several'posts of mine where I have said that "jews control" various things.
Go ahead, do it. Several posts.
As I said before, they are both bad. I support neither side. What I object to is disproportionality in the israeli response. To accuse me of 'Naked anti-Semitism' is as foolish as calling someone a racist because they said the word 'black'.
I do not rant, I speak slowly and quietly in measured tones, so that even the most pathologically stupid imbecile can hear what I say.
I see no reason for name-calling though, that is the resort of someone who has lost their self control and their ability to listen to and understand the other person's point of view without denouncing them.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26650 Posts
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 9:27:05 AM
@paperduck: Attacking you FOR SUGGESTING THIS POST.

Get it now? I did NO SUCH THING. I politely pointed out that you are stupid and have NO credibility. BUT NOT on your RIGHT to post stupid things!

Get it yet? YOU ARE WRONG. Period.

@paperduck: But Hamas is firing rockets INTO EGYPT! KILLING Egyptian CHILDREN! This is a fact! And Egypt is fighting on the ground with Hamas SUPPORTERS inside Egypt: a hundred or more are dead.
And Egypt is blowing up smuggling tunnels too.

FACTS: Do acquaint yourself with them.

@Nickle2: You've suggested several times that "Jews control" various things. Naked anti-Semitism. Not my problem. Rant all you like.

Nickel2
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4874 Posts
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:27:02 AM
5cats - One of the wonderful things about free speech is that sometimes information leaks out that I didn't previously know, eg:

'And all the other evidence is lies too, all of it!
Because Jews control the media, just ask @Nickle2!'

I was not aware that jews control the media, but now that you have informed me in your ill-informed rant, you add fuel to the misinformation fire.

When this lot eventually grinds to a halt and most of the palestinian civilians are dead or injured, the will be war-crimes trials and the truth will be known. Sadly, the free press of America and Canada will still either censor the news, or hide it in the middle pages on a bad press day.
Poor old 5cats, captain of a ship of fools, in a sea of misinformation.


OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15101 Posts
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:01:54 AM
Why are the comments closed on The Nation's website?

Probably because they don't want to be called out as anti-Semitic pro-terrorist Nazi liars.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1709 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 11:16:50 PM
About Egypt vs Hamas, Egypt isn't bombing homes of regular Palestinians and killing them indiscriminately, that's why we're not talking about them.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1709 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 11:03:17 PM
@5cats you called me an idiot in the very post you asked me to quote you insulting me. Earlier in this thread (with time stamp as requested), and prior to me even commenting on anything you wrote the following, attacking me personally:

Monday, July 28, 2014 8:08:38 AM
HAHAHA! @paperduck! You have NO credibility! None.

As if I wrote the friggin article in the link. I can't figure out how I became the subject of your objection. Again, you got me talking about none sense instead of the content matter, which is extremely annoying and obnoxious.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26650 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 8:37:01 PM
"and the Palestinian Territories more broadly..."

@OldOllie: Remember? Hamas thinks ALL of Palestine (Israel's current borders) is "occupied territory" so they believe this is true.

@llaa: They claim the UN is lying. Because Jews control the UN? I suppose.
And all the other evidence is lies too, all of it!
Because Jews control the media, just ask @Nickle2!

Simple really.

Meanwhile the IDF says about 100 rockets have "fallen short" and struck INSIDE Gaza.
That's highly believable:
- IDF tracks every single one
- about 10% is a fair failure rate for such rockets, 100 is about 6%?
- no doubt there's plenty of video of failing rockets, but that's NOT NEWS for the MSM...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26650 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 8:27:03 PM
@5cats it's interesting that you are attacking me (for suggesting this post)...


Another lie! I did NO SUCH THING. Quote me, with time-stamp, or choke on your lies.
I said NO ONE TAKES YOUS SERIOUSLY - because you're an idiot.
Suggest all the posts you like! I've never said otherwise. Each one proves my point.

...rather than addressing any of the legal arguments in the article


So REFUTING ALL 5 isn't enough for you? "Legal Arguments?" Have you been watching too much "Perry Mason"?

You didn't write the article? Now you're Sherlock Holmes!!! Wowsers, I'd never have guess THAT!

I'm sorry sad little bunny, but you don't get to pick and choose who reads OR comments on your submissions... boo hoo!

Hey! Did you even READ your own submission? You sure didn't read your "proof" the last time...

llaa
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1127 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 6:31:38 PM
#5 "UNRWA schools had weapons stored in them, but the schools were empty? Soooo, why were the schools empty? What gives?

llaa
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1127 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 6:29:43 PM
Why are the comments closed on The Nation's website?

bdowner60
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 527 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 3:32:04 PM
More desperate propaganda form the emotional radical liberal left media!

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15101 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 2:00:32 PM
Well, the article started out with a bald-faced lie: "As the occupying power of the Gaza Strip..." That's where I stopped reading.

The FACT is, Israel pulled out of Gaza completely and turned over their settlements to the Palestinians. They even handed over operating businesses. One of those businesses was a greenhouse that grew flowers for export and employed several dozen Palestinians. When Israel pulled out, the Palestinians stripped out the plumbing and wiring and sold it for scrap.

It's breathtaking how you libs can throw your turds at Fox News, yet you lap up lies from a left-wing anti-Semitic propaganda site like The Nation as if it's God's truth.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1709 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 12:36:55 PM
@5cats it's interesting that you are attacking me (for suggesting this post) rather than addressing any of the legal arguments in the article. Truth be told, I didn't think more from you and expect scholarly rebuttal. This post is for other discerning members of IAB, so carry on insulting me or my credibility (though I didn't write the article).

Nickel2
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4874 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 9:51:30 AM
CreamK - re your 3rd paragraph. - Surely you are not suggesting that the US and Canadian press withholds the truth from it's public are you? tell me it's not true. Tell me they are not afraid of their paymasters.

Profworm
Male, 30-39, Western US
 314 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 9:45:48 AM
I don't have a 10-foot pole, but if I did I wouldn't touch this with it.

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1222 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 9:39:04 AM
Both sides are morons. But for first time i see people globally getting fed up with Israels tactic of: "peace" negotiation, provocation, play the victim card and kill Palestinians indiscriminately.

They have done this for years, claim to negotiate while doing everything they can to provoke the opposition: beating, murdering, taking their homes until they get backlash, then claiming to be the victim of an attack (that usually don't even kill anyone..) and lashing back with force. And Hamas is stupider than stupid to react the way they always do by shooting fireworks at IDF that has 11th strongest army in the world.. This is something that repeats every two years.

And no 5Cats, it's not Hamas propaganda. The thing is, USA and Canada, you wont get to see any real news about Israel at all, there is WAY too big christian audience that still believes it's the Holy Land and they need those Israelis there to fulfill a prophecy.

Nickel2
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4874 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 9:27:54 AM
As an atheist, I see both sides of the death-toll of this conflict
When the non-muslim religious fighters die, all they have to do is totally repent their sins. All is forgiven and they are allowed to enter heaven with the other repenters: hitler, stalin, amin, bokassa, rasputin etc, who all repented before they died.
The muslims will all be martyrs, and as a matter of routine and will enter heaven without trouble.
The children who are not old enough to have been indoctrinated into a faith will just rot, the same way that atheists do.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26650 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 9:17:00 AM
Human Shields
Don't let the headlines fool you, it's @paperduck's "proof" of IDF "crimes"...

Meanwhile? EGYPT is fighting Hamas as well! Troops against insurgents, blowing up tunnels, Rockets Killing Egyptian Children BUT the MSM has not ONCE reported on that!

Hamas Gunmen Assault Egyptian Checkpoint Killing 15, but that's "not news" either...

7D
Female, 40-49, Europe
 17 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 9:08:20 AM
where is McGoven? enlighten us with your Fox news take on this. We need stupidity added.

CaptKangaroo
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2101 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 8:48:22 AM
It's nice to be informed, it's great to learn new things.
This topic though, has been done to death lately- irony intended. It is not sparking- with a few exceptions- much in the way of intelligent conversation, but is a wonderful forum for a few- and you know who you are- to engage in strident, mean spirited dialogue.
I, for one, will be glad when short attention spans move on to the next Cause de ce moment.

som-tam
Male, 18-29, Asia
 661 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 8:26:17 AM
Israel's biggest problem, as far as the PR war, is that they are not prepared to risk 1 Israeli life. No matter what happens if they try to protect their own citizens (ie bombing a rocket launch site that has a civilian human shield).

If they aloud Hamas to succeed in their efforts to kill as many jews as they could then they might get more sympathy (although much of the anti-israel rhetoric is not about sympathy for palistinians but a rather more ugly emotion) but they would lose their integrity.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26650 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 8:16:41 AM
Enter 5Cats...


@Doiknowyou: With things like truth and facts! Thanks for your support!

Time after time the propaganda is exposed: Hamas has a HUGE propaganda machine, gleefully aided by MSM 'reporters'. Journalists are moved, BY HAMAS from site to site and told what they can and CANNOT report on.
Amazingly, there's always a spectacular show waiting for them! What are all those screaming people doing inside those hospitals? Placed there for the cameras...

They've faked "news" 100 times before, and will continue to do so. Why not? See how effective it is? And by the time it's disproven? They've got 2 MORE fake stories out...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26650 Posts
Monday, July 28, 2014 8:08:38 AM
HAHAHA! @paperduck! You have NO credibility! None.

You tried to "prove" the IDF "murdered kids on a beach" and then linked a story which showed:
- the IDF fired at VALID targets: buildings
- the kids were HIDING inside and near the buildings

YOUR OWN LINK said that!

And you expect anyone to believe this crap? SMH.

#1 The UN says so, everyone EXCEPT HAMAS says so.
#2 This part makes zero sense. Gaza was Jew-free, it's borders were OPEN including to Egypt.
Hamas has spent BILLIONS on terrorism and little on it's own civilians.
Rockets have safe bomb shelters, citizens DO NOT.
#3 Yes, it is in response to unrelenting TERRORISM including rockets, tunnels, commandos and bombs. It changes subject inside it's OWN ARGUEMENT... ffs...
#4 ipso facto, Israel is CORRECT! Talking points from 2006???
#5 This is fact. The UN says so, video proves it. HAMAS SAYS SO!

@paperduck, just MOVE to Gaza already.

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