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Over 40% Of Americans Believe [Pic+]

Hits: 3150 | Rating: (2.0) | Category: Science | Added by: drawman61
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Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 275 Posts
Thursday, June 12, 2014 6:31:02 AM
Doubtful that anyone will ever return to this page but here goes:
If something exists, it can be scientifically quantified (measured and evaluated relative to its mass, energy, location, capabilities, and other qualities). For example, scientists have quantified millions of items ranging from from dark holes in outer space to tiny atomic particles (such as the recently discovered Higgs Boson). If something cannot be scientifically quantified, it does not exist (in the real universe).
Spiritual entities such as gods, devils, heavens, hells, angles, the tooth fairy, etc. have never been and cannot be scientifically quantified. Therefore these spiritual items do not exist (except in the imagination of religious individuals).

About state and church :
And none of them have political power. Again your pointing at monarchies are irrelevant.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3836 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 1:47:26 PM
"it's impossible to answer this question"

Yeah, I'd say that's right. I don't understand the statement that "such a being can't exist, even in theory". Considering we're talking about a superbeing who is unconstrained by the laws of physics (as we understand them), and may have created them, I have to say that that statement cannot be backed up.
Understand that I'm NOT a believer, but I feel that if you believe and feel better for that, good for you! And carry on, too. Just don't try to force me into your belief and don't make religion based laws that I'm expected to follow - I'm not, of course talking about "Thou shalt not kill", I'm talking about things like no meat on Friday, no shopping on Sunday, etc. Jews don't try to make pork products and shrimp illegal in this country, Christians shouldn't try to keep me from shopping on Sunday. Fair is fair.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:56:13 AM
And judging from your first post here, you wont adress the arguements so you point at something irrelevant. Good method you got going there


We've been over these about every page on this site. People say god exists and you want scientific evidence then say there's no way a god can exist and don't give any proof either because you can't it's impossible to answer this question. You sum up evangelical atheists perfectly thinking you're so smart when you're actually a pretentious moron following other pretentiou8s morons ideals.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:50:06 AM
But then again, from earlyer "conversations" with you I have learned that you believe every european to be from the UK,


Well let see I'm not a psychic so 'll have to go with a common denominator that and I said
As for those from the UK you have no place to talk ask the royal family who elected them and look at who the head of your STATE church is....
that statement would be referring to a specific group now wouldn't it. BTW it's not just the UK that has a state church and royals elected by god so that point is moot.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 275 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:46:39 AM
The choirs of heaven truly sings when you utter words. Its quite amazing.
But then again, from earlyer "conversations" with you I have learned that you believe every european to be from the UK, you dont even attempt to use arguments, you are incapable of viewing an issue from oter sides and you have just about 2 settings; rage and namecalling.

And judging from your first post here, you wont adress the arguements so you point at something irrelevant. Good method you got going there.

Care to answer the question HG posed? Nah I thought so.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:30:47 AM
No rage no trolls only truths that's why that's the only answer you have.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 275 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:26:34 AM
Wow so trolly, much rage. Good old McG.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:34:35 AM
YEs be like all us atheists we have the answers to the unanswerable yet can't see the irony there......aren't we so smart! I'd have to question the accuracy of this considering the poster of this thinks the moon landings are fake and posted "legit" links about it.

As for those from the UK you have no place to talk ask the royal family who elected them and look at who the head of your STATE church is....

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 275 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 5:42:02 AM
Lets entertain the idea that there are 7 dimensions that we cannot percieve even with machines (I take the liberty to assume that "machines" is laymans terms for = no way possible to interact or in any way measure, even in theory)
Then the same arguement would have to be true the other way around aswell... Therefore according to logic it could not possibly have created earth or have any influence whatsoever on ours or any creatures existance.

If we assume that in time we will be able to measure or even travel to one of these said dimensions, then the beings within would likewise be measuable and therefore not possibly "god".

About the question. You are correct, it is a question designed to make you look bad. The problem remains the same however.
Believing in god is a thing that if you say A you are forced to say B and so on. Any deviation from this is strictly speaking the same as not saying A to begin with.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 5:17:05 AM
Essersmith: "Such a being that you describe, cannot exist, even in theory."

Actually according to recent string theory there are at least 11 dimensions, 7 of which we cannot perceive even with machines. That would leave plenty of room for a Supreme Being to exist right there.

SleepyH: "Crakr, I hope the Tree of Knowledge falls on your head so you die ironically."

How would you feel if I wished a lightning bolt to hit you? Think about it awhile, then stop being a troll.

Essersmith:"HG hes not going to answer that question"

No, it's because it simply doesn't matter how "old" I think it is. It's a bullsh|t question that you have pre-written atheist rebuttals for. God simply exists outside our timeline and can manipulate it to his will.

2 Peter 3:8 "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 275 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:51:44 AM
@747
Wether or not I understand is not important. And as I said earlyer, a being such as god, cannot exist, even in theory.
The implications of believing in a "well" defined being ("well" defined biblically anyway) force you to take a stand on a range of other topics. Its incredibly hipocritical to believe in god yet accept that we (and other species) evolved in any shape or form.

Simply answering "I dont know" is strictly the same answer as 6 billion years, because he is questioning the validity of religious scholars story.

747Pilot
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1201 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:18:25 AM
Essersmith: He could easily say "I don't know", you know. Btw, God does exist, so don't close yourself to the possibility, even though you can't understand how now.

HG: CrakrJak is right.. it still seems like you're relying on prejudice and bias. You know, that type of thing doesn't help causes, right? Well, unless your goal is to become bigoted...

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 275 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 1:53:27 AM
HG hes not going to answer that question, regardless of how he answers it, he will lose face.
If he indeed believe that the world is 10.000 years old, he is in the religious nut group. If he accepts that earth is 6 billion years old he indirectly agrees with you. Neither of which he wants to do.

Besides evading hard to answer questions and ignoring statements is what he does best.

Sleepyhallow
Male, 50-59, Western US
 1921 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 1:05:20 AM
Crakr, I hope the Tree of Knowledge falls on your head so you die ironically.

Sleepyhallow
Male, 50-59, Western US
 1921 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 1:02:52 AM
Let's take a close look at the Christian Fundamentalist timeline for God:

6,500 BC: Creates entire cosmos out of absolutely nothing
5,000 BC: Floods planet in vengeful wrath, saves madman who he told to build boat
3,500 BC: Parts Red Sea to save his most faithful
1 BC: Impregnates a virgin
33 AD: Sacrifices his only begotten son to restore the faith and his powers
390 AD: Inspires followers to begin taking over Europe
1300s AD: Gets vengeful with followers again, kills 2/3rds of Europe
1776 AD: Loses His power to control governments
Present: Appears magically on toast

Sleepyhallow
Male, 50-59, Western US
 1921 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 12:58:37 AM
I find the 13.4 Billion year naturally-driven evolution of the universe and life to be much more miraculous than some over-glorified magician pulling a universe fully formed out of a hat.

Is you "God" really no better than a bad stage act?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5173 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 12:03:54 AM
Crakr

"I don't care to argue about how old the earth is"

It's a simple question. Do you think the Earth is 10,000 years old or do you think it is 6 billion years old?

"Then you call "third world" people uneducated and uncivilized"

Yes. Because I know what those words mean. If someone has no access to education then they are uneducated. That isn't a put down. It's just what the word means.

"And you call me "narrow minded" and "stupid"

Yes. I think you are stupid. However, again, I don't mean it as a put down. Some people are stupid. It doesn't mean I hate them or want less for them or that they are less deserving of a good life. It is just what the word means.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 275 Posts
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 12:03:47 AM
" I believe in an all-powerful, all-seeing, all-knowing God. He exists outside the boundaries we perceive, such as time, space, physics, science, etc. A God that powerful can do anything he wants in any amount of time, or none at all. "

Such a being that you describe, cannot exist, even in theory.

And even if we jump into wonderland, why would such a being be the slightest interested in you going to church or talking to it at your bedside every night?
Christianity is not growing, Islam is. Neither of which are any good.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:22:14 PM
HG: I don't care to argue about how old the earth is, and it doesn't really matter. I believe in an all-powerful, all-seeing, all-knowing God. He exists outside the boundaries we perceive, such as time, space, physics, science, etc. A God that powerful can do anything he wants in any amount of time, or none at all.

You think if God exists he'd have to follow all the rules that we've defined. Since you believe an all-powerful God couldn't possibly follow those rules, you declare that he couldn't exist.

Then you call "third world" people uneducated and uncivilized, well that's mighty "liberal" of you isn't it?

And you call me "narrow minded" and "stupid", seems to me you're describing yourself there bud.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 6119 Posts
Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:17:06 PM
I have no trouble with religion- not a believer myself- but if you are I wil defend your right to believe what you want up until it affects others. Right- having said THAT- given there is no incompatibility between religious belief and serious science- and evolution is pretty basic stuff then, well, creationists are either badly educated or heavily indoctrinated. or as dumb as a bag of rocks.. but it is frightening and shocking that a 1st world country is THIS badly educated.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5173 Posts
Tuesday, June 10, 2014 10:52:53 PM
Crakr

"Once again you're dealing with you're own trollish atheist opinion instead of facts."

Do you think the world is 10,000 years old?

"Religion, especially Christianity, is still growing and finding new converts all the time."

I said civilized / educated world. Christianity is NOT growing in the 1st world. Its growing in the third world where they think photographs steal your soul.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12748 Posts
Tuesday, June 10, 2014 9:12:52 PM
"'We don't mock the religious. We mock the stupid.'

Once again you're dealing with you're own trollish atheist opinion instead of facts."

CrakrJak qualifies on both counts.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:39:13 PM
HG: "We don't mock the religious. We mock the stupid."

Once again you're dealing with you're own trollish atheist opinion instead of facts.

"Religion is dying out in the civilized / educated world."

Bullsh|t. Religion, especially Christianity, is still growing and finding new converts all the time.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3836 Posts
Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:04:28 PM
I agree with Agent00Smith. I think that some people would perceive the question as asking about their belief in the truthfulness of the Bible and give the 10 thousand year answer becuase they feel obligated to do so. That could really slant the results.

Agent00Smith
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2352 Posts
Tuesday, June 10, 2014 3:05:55 PM
Actually, it doesn't explain anything.

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