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Was Bergdahl's Release Deal Worth It? [Pic+]

Hits: 2388 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: CrakrJak
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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26650 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 4:09:12 PM
"He had the authority. There is no argument here."
@normalfreak2: You're joking, right? Just because he signed a law doesn't mean it applies to HIM? That's really your argument? Just ignore laws, due process and the US Constitution whenever it's "inconvenient"?

Drat That Bro!

PLENTY of "prisoners" have died during Bush's and Obama's terms. Haven't you been paying attention? How much "smearing" did Obama get? Zilch.

@Kalimata: POWs can only be traded by LEGITIMATE governments. Until now? The USA considered the Taliban as a Terrorist Group. It's a BAD IDEA even if it does help rescue others too. There's better ways it could have been done.

@Viking: The Afghan War isn't over, there will still be 10K Americans in-country (afaik! That's the latest I've heard.) Y'all are still present in Iraq, yes? Normal procedure.

normalfreak2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2041 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 10:55:41 AM
IMAGINE if this guy had died in the hands of the Taliban. Obama would have been getting smeared. This was the best outcome given the circumstances.

Kalimata
Male, 30-39, Canada
 660 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 9:15:17 AM
"...Rush to judgement? No one's doing that. We're looking at what IS KNOWN and basing our opinions on that. He wrote a letter saying he would join the enemy (iirc)? That's damning evidence right there..."

You know almost nothing about this situation, and therefore your opinion is highly suspect. The news media knows almost nothing about this situation, and their opinions are most definitely suspect.

"...I VERY MUCH doubt any have been 'turned'..."

And you know this because you've intimate knowledge of interrogation techniques or have had SERE training? Know what is known about interrogation? It's not will you break, it's when.

"...get civilians included in this deal: rescue a deserter but leave CIVILIANS in the hands of the enemy..."

It was a POW exchange.


FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3402 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 7:46:48 AM
"Even Jay Carney, his press secretary, couldn't handle covering up all his bullsh|t anymore and he resigned."

Do you know how often press secretaries resign? It's one of the worst jobs in the world. You have to lie every day, regardless of who is president.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5745 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 6:52:10 AM
IIRC he had gone AWOL twice but returned before, so there is no reason to suspect this was any different really. And 4 months ago McCain was saying they should get him back.

A lot of you also seem to be forgetting that those Taliban were going to be released soon anyway. Since your combat operations in Afghanistan are ending, POWs need to be returned. Since those 5 weren't facing charges for anything, the US would be bound to release them when the fighting ends. This is common in war. At least they brought home one of your soldiers in doing so.

normalfreak2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2041 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 6:51:45 AM
How do some of you forget the very clause in the act Obama used

"The National Defense Authorization Act of 2014 requires the administration to notify Congress at least 30 days before releasing a prisoner from Guantanamo. But Obama, in what is known as a signing statement, forecast that he may disregard the rule because he believed that it unlawfully restrained his presidential authority."

He had the authority. There is no argument here.

Viking864
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 1412 Posts
Friday, June 06, 2014 1:06:09 AM
We signed the Geneva Convention and when we pull out and the war is over, we will have to release them anyway. If they were Al-Qaeda that would be a different story as we are still at war with them. There is a reason why these 5 were still at Gitmo and had not had a trial.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 668 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:14:09 PM
Whatever happened to "we don't negotiate with terrorists"?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15098 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 9:51:31 PM
@McGovern1981 Hopefully we put tracking chips or mini nukes up their butts before the trade...

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of AIDS, hepatitis A-C, TB, typhus, herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, and anal warts.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15098 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 9:42:39 PM
I hope Bergdahl is tried and found guilty of desertion, and executed (which is the customary punishment for desertion).

Then Obama will have to explain why he freed 5 of the Taliban's top generals in exchange for a buck sergeant who ended up being worth less than nothing.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 9:14:46 PM
I agree 5Cats, Obama has went well beyond Nixon in his flat-out lies and offenses. Even Jay Carney, his press secretary, couldn't handle covering up all his bullsh|t anymore and he resigned.

I'm all for recovering POW/MIAs, but not by trading 5 of the most dangerous terrorist leaders in Gitmo.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26650 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:43:55 PM
USA Today Says Top Brass Nixed Civilian Trade

This is a terrible event in America's history. It gets worse with each passing day.

I know! BLAME BUSH! It's all Bush's fault after all!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26650 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:40:59 PM
@whodat: They're staying in Qatar for 1 year, iirc. And I VERY MUCH doubt any have been "turned". These men are fanatical, that's why they're IN Gitmo in the first place!

Also: Obama's people allegedly did not even TRY to get civilians included in this deal: rescue a deserter but leave CIVILIANS in the hands of the enemy? No PotUS can be so shameful... and yet? There it is!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26650 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:37:16 PM
@FoolsPrussia: The USA does NOT consider the Taliban to be a "lawful representative" of Afghanistan. BUT by negotiating with them? It conveys that title to them.
Congress had TWICE refused such a "deal" but Obama ignored the LAW and did it anyhow.
One reason: politics.

Rush to judgement? No one's doing that. We're looking at what IS KNOWN and basing our opinions on that. He wrote a letter saying he would join the enemy (iirc)? That's damning evidence right there.

@SmagBoy1: Yes, all those PotUS did it, but NOT with terrorist groups! With acknowledged genuine nations they did. Obama screwed up, -AGAIN- and now is spinning, spinning to try to control the damage.
Attacking the very veterans who KNOW the truth?
Making fake excuses for illegal actions?
Ignoring the Law because... why exactly?
YOU voted for him! This is "on you".

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26650 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:31:17 PM
This is Obama's quest for a "free pass" and it has imploded in his face with spectacular results!

Even the MSM cannot cover the poop for him this time.

He broke the law HE SIGNED!
And "excused it" with further lies. LIES! It's all he knows how to do, it seems.

Meanwhile his cronies ATTACK this traitor's squad-mates, calling THEM "psychopaths" or "swift boaters". How is this "acceptable"?

This, on top of the VA scandal? How can anyone in the USA support the Democrats?

Runemang
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 2671 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 6:15:59 PM
Nuclear suppositories? Wow. That sucks brah

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3745 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 1:21:50 PM
Yeah, they probably turned one or two of them and I guarantee they'll be watching them like a hawk. The first thing that happens after a prisoner is set free and goes back home is they're debriefed. They'll watch to see where they go, who they meet with, etc and gather intel that way. It's a good way to find HQ's, safe houses, weapons caches, etc.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2715 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 1:06:13 PM
I'm sure the intel channels will have either turned one or two of them or will pass on the rumour down the lines that they have.

All this suspicion surrounding Sgt. Bergdahl.....well times that by five because they've got 5 back they can never to totally sure of too. It would be far safer for the Taliban to keep these guys as token trophies, e.g. look, we won their release... but never use them operationally again and never let them make the strategy decisions again.

Also, they've been away for years too - there have been internal power struggles during that time. Some comrades won't be glad to see them return and want their command positions back. Oh they'll sing and dance about it, but they'll also be thinking 'yeah it's nice that your back and all....but i'm in charge now ok?'.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 12:42:30 PM
Hopefully we put tracking chips or mini nukes up their butts before the trade....

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 11:31:27 AM
Reagan did it, Bush I did it, Clinton, Bush II. Not to mention every administration prior. Taliban is NOT Al Queda, they are local thugs in a country we invaded. And we traded with them to free an American POW. Period. Any determination about desertion, AWOL, etc., are for the Army to handle. Regardless, we did the right thing by an American POW.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2715 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:58:28 AM
Exactly FP.

If anything this deal has made it safer for captured US soldiers in those places because the majority before were shot or beheaded on camera pretty quickly. With Sgt. Bergdahl they kept him alive, and it's worked out a better strategy for them and for us, and so the same strategy is more likely to be used if someone is captured in future.

People that say 'it'll lead to more kidnappings'... what? they think the taliban have been turning down opportunities to take prisoners until now and they're suddenly going to say 'hmm... gives me an idea...I think we should capture more of them'.

OverTime
Male, 40-49, Western US
 97 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:55:12 AM
6 fewer people illegally detained.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3402 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:53:31 AM
"The simple fact that they are even negotiating with terrorists makes the issue that much worse."

I don't get this. The Taliban are terrible people with messed up views, but they're not really any different from other enemies we've fought against. We negotiated with Nazis to end the European theatre in World War II, didn't we? If you're going to wind down a war, you either have to completely annihilate your enemy (which is physically impossible with "terrorism"), or negotiate.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2715 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:52:57 AM
"The simple fact that they are even negotiating with terrorists makes the issue that much worse."

Oh come on.... the US and UK governments always come out with that line in public but the evidence is there that both our countries have negotiated with terrorists for at least decades.

It's no different than a prisoner swap between say russia and the US, when each side in the cold war exchanged people.

If we don't negotiate with terrorists.... how come the IRA here laid down it's arms along with the loyalist sides? Because we negotiated with them... as did Clinton for us.

Mikeoxsbiggg
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1269 Posts
Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:48:39 AM
The simple fact that they are even negotiating with terrorists makes the issue that much worse.

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