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12 Things You Should Never Say To Teachers [Pic]

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DrCribbens
Female, 18-29, Asia
 57 Posts
Saturday, May 03, 2014 1:28:22 PM
If teachers put as much effort into teaching as they do into complaining about it the world would be a better place.

Teachers don't know they're born.

@madduck: if the pay put you off teaching, whatever you do don't look at nursing. You say 'the pay is rubbish'? No it isn't. My wife is a nurse and regularly works 16 hour shifts and after 10 years' service she earns a teacher's starting salary.

Teachers. You do a job. Get over it.

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1045 Posts
Saturday, May 03, 2014 9:08:34 AM
Teachers are respected here, it's an honor to be one and only the best get there. That is the way it should be. Greetings, Finland.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4424 Posts
Saturday, May 03, 2014 8:43:51 AM
randomxnp

I did say 'no complaints'.

But if you had a senior management post that required you to work 365 days a year, no pension and an income of significantly less than 40k GBP then you were right to get out of there.

BlackHaze
Male, 18-29, Europe
 197 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 4:56:25 PM
Sounds like a butthurt teacher. You chose a job, put up with the consequences. Whino.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1215 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 4:37:13 PM
Madduck

You just made the perfect argument for Gove's policies, indeed that he should go further. All schools should be free schools, and government should have nothing to do with provision of education. Their involvement should be limited to funding an account for each child that can only be used to pay for education, apprenticeships, support for home education or other expenses for the education of the child.

That gets rid of all the problems you complain of.

Pedo bear

You are quite right. My mother was a teacher through all the changes (I finished education two years before the revolting Blair got in). She saw the decline first hand.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1215 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 4:31:34 PM
LordJim

Not great? I had a high-level management job in my career, and earned less than that. I am in a career I had to spend a lot on a course to get into, and do rather more work than a PGCE. I had no pension with that. I had to work all year, no bank holidays, weekends no different from week days and before I was management had to be available Christmas day. As management I lost leave time when I had to cover for one of my people suddenly having a medical issue.

Now I am self-employed. I work up to 7 days a week. No long holidays. I have to find my own work, but fortunately am good at my job so get a lot of very high recommendations. I earn about what you do, if a little less. I teach in the private sector, where my pay depends on the market, not on demands from people who use other people's money.

In the real world, for what they do teachers are pretty well-paid.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4424 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 11:26:11 AM
Anyway, long story short. I love my job and I'm not eager to retire. But the system relies on that, I'll put in the unpaid hours, pay for stuff out of my own pocket and put up with the crap because my job matters.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4424 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 11:20:16 AM
Drac,

That's per year, not month. As you well know.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12131 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 11:17:28 AM
GBP40,000/m is not bad at all! That's like Investment Banking Associate Director level.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4424 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 11:06:12 AM
#Hours. Work starts at 8.30 but most people show up at 8.00 because you need a cup of tea and a chat (usually about work) to ease you into the day. The working day ends at 3.45 but few people leave before 4.30 because you have to do the paperwork and tidy up. I would expect to do at least 8 hours a week from home (basically a full day a week unpaid) because otherwise you can't keep up. During the holidays I might spend 3 days in school sorting stuff out (only a five hour day, though) and maybe another 30 hours at home. I get that done in the first two weeks then have a month to relax. No complaints, it's good hols. Every year I take kids away on residentials (abseiling and stuff - I'm getting to old for that) and I'm on call 24 hours but just get my regular pay. My unpaid extra hours come to about 40 days a year. But I do it because I want to. No complaints.

(cont.)

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4424 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 10:57:02 AM
I'm due to retire from teaching in two or three years so this is my perspective bearing in mind its from a UK, special needs position.
# Pay. Not too bad. Outside London a new teacher cmakes about 22k pounds. I'm on about 40k as a head of department with various increments which is about as high as it gets unless you go for a management post, which I wouldn't. Not shabby but not great. And pay has been frozen for 6 or 7 years.
#Pension. Not bad. When I started pension was 1/80th of final salary per year of teaching. It's now 1/60th. So work for 30 years and retire on half-pay. Not too shabby, but not great. I'm lookin at about 15k a year plus a 40k lump sum. No complaints.

(Cont.)

chicagojay
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1864 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 7:58:26 AM
Except the summer thing is true. Sorry, most teachers do not spend "weeks" planning. Certainly not 40 hrs a week for weeks. As for Professional development, as an IT guy, I get to do that in my copious free time. Many people need to do PD and don't get three months off to do it.

Also add:
13: It must be nice to get to go home at 3:00
14: Thank god your union is so concerned about keeping all teachers in their job, regardless of ability.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1825 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 6:57:14 AM
@madduck: I didn't mean to exclude you I'm typing via my phone and didn't see that you were planning on becoming a teacher too! I wish you the best at it, what do you plan on teaching? And what grade level? Have you already started becoming one?

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1825 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 6:49:25 AM
@Anteconomist: Wow you're a college professor?! I always wondered where you got all your smarts, I always enjoy reading your comments in economic discussions. It's like they were taken directly out of my books, very factual and sober, now I know why. Kudos.

@kree: Wow your a teacher too!!! Kudos my man, what subject and grade level do you teach?

I'm finding more and more teachers on IAB, what a wealth of knowledge, no wonder I love the discussions on here so much. Awesome, Kudos to all of you!

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5585 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 6:32:06 AM
clever children at the expense of those less motivated or able. One son was dyspraxic and pretty much got ignored- despite a firm diagnosis etc- but despite no help for him or other children in a similar state they could still manage lots of new sports stuff. The school in question changes its specialisation every other year, from sports, to Music, to humanities and back to sports in six years.... I wonder why exactly!!

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5585 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 6:29:48 AM
Hmm, I agree Blair did a terrible job, and indeed started much of the ridiculous assessments etc, however- every teacher I know ( and there are three in my family for starters) thinks Gove will make things far worse. I am biased as I think this government is the worst we have had since at least Heath, Thatcher was an abomination and started much of the issues we now have admittedly, but Cameron and his minions are finishing it- lining their own pockets as fast as they can. Drop the insane inspections and paperwork- case in point, my brother spent half his summer organising for Ofsted- then had two ( out of 300) pupils register for free lunches- thus meaning the entire framework for inspection changed necessitating all staff to redo everything in one weekend.. the most common complaint I hear is that teachers do not get to actually do any damn teaching any more. The other problem is that the way schools are rated means they concentrate on the (cont...)

Mr_Pedo_Bear
Male, 70 & Over, Southern US
 812 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 5:29:05 AM
@Madduck
I really do not like Labour for the education I received. I believe objectively Blair Brown will be seen as worst Post War Government in history, when looking at how we've dropped in international rankings in education, economy, long term unemployed, the north, happiness etc. Their legacy is terrible and a waste of a pro longed boom period. All the wasted potential for our country...

Mr_Pedo_Bear
Male, 70 & Over, Southern US
 812 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 5:27:44 AM
@madduck Take it from someone who grew up under Labours system. They betrayed us, when I did a exchange at University abroad we're idiots compared to our European cousins. Gove is bringing our education back up. He does it in a brash way, but there are two ways you can look at it.

Labours way, just inflate grades and certificates so they're all worthless. Made apprenticeships and vocational seem like failure, and don't equip people with skills. But attack the private sector for doing a better job. All while sending your own kids to private schools, so us poor kids remain down at the bottom. Copy Finlands reforms which saw them drop massively in rankings.

Gove's way, reintroduce competitiveness, up standards which ironically lowers the grades initially, push vocational skills as good as others. Copy the Asiatic countries which have overtaken us.

Agent00Smith
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2168 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 2:09:39 AM
Teachers suck. They only teach you propaganda set forth by the ruling class to keep us all in line. Sure you'll learn how to run one of their fancy machines to make enough money to survive, but after that, get in line and shut your mouth.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12131 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 2:04:35 AM
"Teachers of all kinds have my respect. And so do a lot of other professionals."


Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12131 Posts
Friday, May 02, 2014 2:02:50 AM
IMO, teachers are a bit like nurses, in that they are incredibly important to society, but for this very reason, they are placed into a system designed to achieve a common standard and that standard is set just above the lowest common denominator. Furthermore, they are paid commensurate with the low standard and there are few opportunities for teachers to differentiate themselves and rise up society's payscale.

It's all about scaleability. One teacher or nurse can only serve a limited number of students and patients. The more clients and the better those clients can pay, the better the pay.

e.g. a Hong Kong government school teacher earns about $55,000 pa (no income tax payable at this level) but a star teacher at a crammer course teaching these same kids makes triple that, because of larger class numbers, better fees and teaching by video.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5585 Posts
Thursday, May 01, 2014 11:00:08 PM
I had planned to train as a teacher from next year, but I know a lot of teachers who are leaving, The pay is rubbish, the amount of time they spend doing unnecessary paperwork and assessments has gone right up and much less time is spent actually teaching. It is a shame- I would love to teach, but I simply cannot see how I would be able to do it. Get rid of that disgusting wart Gove, get rid of some of the crap- and then possibly I would think again. Perhpas next May things will improve...

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 334 Posts
Thursday, May 01, 2014 10:27:08 PM
@CrakrJak, My starting salary was more than that average annual. Some of my coworkers are making 6 digits.
http://www.fcps.edu/hr /salary/pdf/fy14/14JanScale /Jan%202014%20208%20day%20teacher.pdf

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 657 Posts
Thursday, May 01, 2014 8:31:17 PM
Teachers of all kinds have my respect. And so do a lot of other professionals.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16948 Posts
Thursday, May 01, 2014 8:22:55 PM
"Sorry, we are not your minions"

Yes, Yes you are. The school board makes the decisions, elected by the people, who pay the vast majority of taxes, even if they have no children of their own. It's why teachers, firemen, policemen and even politicians are called "public servants".

"I teach because I want to make a difference".

Baloney, You teach because you are paid to teach, and when you don't feel fairly paid you strike. Public servants striking is illegal, if "everyday matters for kids", you wouldn't put your pay before their education.

The average annual salary for a teacher is $56,383 a year, according to the NCES. The best get upwards of $85,690 a year.

For context, the average salary for a general laborer is $24,000 to $32,000.

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