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I-A-B You Be The Judge: Lock Up Or Let Go? [Poll]

Hits: 7023 | Rating: (3.5) | Category: Quizzes & Tests | Added by: kitteh9lives
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edgarrizo
Male, 40-49, S. America
 99 Posts
Monday, April 21, 2014 3:52:34 PM
The crime shold've expired by now

Pyrosisflame
Male, 18-29, Europe
 590 Posts
Friday, April 18, 2014 7:23:53 PM
If the idea of prison is a punishment to rehabilitate criminals if he's managed to rehabilitate himself and turn his life around he's already served his time.

let him walk i say.

TheZigRat
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 1652 Posts
Friday, April 18, 2014 5:50:52 PM
Im not sure what the statute of limitations is for armed robbery but that should be concidered in this case.

WhoSaidWhat
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 192 Posts
Friday, April 18, 2014 12:46:04 PM
The guy has turned his life around, and became a valuable member of his community. He has rehabilitated himself, and done a much better job of it than the "corrections" system would have done. The fact that the government screwed up and failed to incarcerate him is their problem, not his. Double standards occur all the time where the US government is involved. Prime example is income tax. Get your tax payment in late, and you get charged penalties and interest. Let the IRS get a payment they owe you to you late, and what do you get? Nothing, but a late payment, no extra compensation.

Jowsh
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1231 Posts
Friday, April 18, 2014 5:26:08 AM
13 years of worrying about when they are going to send you the letter / break down the door... That's at least good for some 'time served' or some kind of state negligence isn't it?

Daegog
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 352 Posts
Friday, April 18, 2014 3:17:02 AM
Yeah, just give him probation.

Shame he isnt a child raping du pont heir, he would be free and laughing his way to.. i guess rape more kids.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16908 Posts
Friday, April 18, 2014 2:32:06 AM
nettech98: Correction and rehabilitation certainly was the goal. That is why prisons are called "penitentiaries" and "dept. of corrections". Criminals are to be penitent, corrected, aka rehabilitated. Parole boards still ask the proverbial question, "Do you feel you've been rehabilitated?".

If prisons are about punishment only now, then we aren't going to solve the problem of recidivism.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10227 Posts
Friday, April 18, 2014 2:15:52 AM
This is situation that statute of limitations were intended to guard against. It's true that it doesn't apply AFTER a conviction was made within the statute, but the purpose is to ensure that justice is rendered in a timely manner. That didn't happen in this case. Probation doesn't any since at this point. I think the judge should simply quash the sentence, but I'll let him do his job.

nettech98
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 971 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:51:50 PM
@luke:
"they aren't supposed to be there to punish people or to get revenge. they are supposed to return criminals to society as functioning productive citizens"

Not in the US. From a Supreme Court decision in Tapia v US:


"First considered by the Court was the language of the Sentencing Reform Act, specifically that a court must 'recogniz[e] that imprisonment is not an appropriate means of promoting correction and rehabilitation'"

normalfreak2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1533 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:52:27 PM
haven't seen a perfect 4.0 post in a long while. Do like this type of post Kitteh.

luke182
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 327 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:35:29 PM
let him go. they are called "correctional facilities" they aren't supposed to be there to punish people or to get revenge. they are supposed to return criminals to society as functioning productive citizens. Seems to me he is already there. Actually he's probably more a stand up citizen than most of us here.

Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1898 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 7:12:56 PM
Here's a thought:Give him Probation.

bomb_tom
Male, 18-29, Canada
 517 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 7:01:50 PM
He's a scary looking black man so I didn't bother reading all that nonsense, I just voted to lock him up.

h2oxy
Male, 18-29, Canada
 311 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:49:30 PM
@piratefish Not always. Doesn't the US have a statute of limitations?

mykunter
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 2237 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:56:44 PM
13 year sentence minus 14 years for the state to follow through incarcerating him = time served.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 654 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:55:30 PM
Sorry. You do the crime, you do the time.

CaptKangaroo
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2040 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 3:54:05 PM
Yeah, let him go.
And why was it necessary to send a swat team?
They found him, couldn't they have scoped the situation out, got a little intel? See what they were dealing with?
Nah, that'd make sense, and heaven to mergatroid, it's scary to be a cop- them 3 year old's can be vicious before they have their breakfast.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4350 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 3:18:20 PM
Doesn't making someone wait that long for the knock on the door count as cruel and unusual punishment/

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1804 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 2:12:37 PM
"Nice post kitteh!"

Yea same, I liked this. Kudos

ElectricEye
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 445 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 1:32:08 PM
He committed a crime. He was sentenced to 13 years, which was a harsh sentence to begin with, considering it was a BB gun and a Burger King. No one was hurt, he got a little bit of money and he was later caught. Forteen years later, he hasn't gotten caught at anything else and has obviously been a model citizen. He has already served almost a year in prison. I say let him out, put him on probation and let him get back to a normal life as much as he can. He has grown up and paid for the crime he committed in his late teens. It was mistake committed by the State to not follow up on it. He should not be punished now for a crime that he committed so long ago.

I hope this becomes a regular feature on I-A-B.

Nice post kitteh!

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5414 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 1:26:35 PM
sadly Nikki I think with Grayling trying to sell the probation service we may lose that order... and have US style profit machines instead of a prison service..

nikkypickles
Female, 30-39, Europe
 169 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 12:40:49 PM
At least in the UK prison sentences serve four purposes:
1) To protect the public
2) To rehabilitate the prisoner
3) To deter future criminal behaviour (in either the current offender and the general public)
4) To punish the criminal and make them pay for their crime.
IN THAT ORDER

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1804 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 12:13:26 PM
I think jobs are entitled to ask, but I think for most crimes, not all, once you complete your sentence, you've paid your dept to society and your record should be cleared. I think law enforcement and courts should have access to some long term files, but the public at large has no right to that information. I think at that point it becomes private property. Sort of like your Social security number, the government knows about you but it is not public information, once you have served your sentence of coarse. Before you have served your sentence, the benefits of the public outweigh the costs of the individual and your record is fair game for all to see but after you've served, no.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1804 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 12:05:04 PM
I want to rephrase something I said too, by " he has a clear name" I mean as in he takes no punishment for his actions. I believe that once he serves his sentence he'll have a clear name once again, or at least he should.

@42467: I disagree with you that thats the reason we have the highest recidivism rate in the world. I'll agree on the whole "prison is for punishment - not rehabilitation" statement. (Kudos by the way @nettech98 for that.) But I think the fear of prison works and the morality of punishing a person for doing what they knew to be wrong, is a just action. I know a couple of people who have changed their behavior after some time in jail or prison.

I personally think it has more to do with jobs wanting to know your criminal background before they employ you. That combined with the person returning to the same area with all of the same influences.

greggas
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 26 Posts
Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:58:05 AM
I would think 13 years of waiting to be locked up is punishment enough.

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