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10 Reasons To Ban Gay Marriage [Pic]

Hits: 7856 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: iansquall
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piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 668 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:07:33 PM
@HumanNature:

"Actually, no - it means that you don't know the difference between a right and a privilege."

Are you really that dense, or just trolling? A right is something we SHOULD have (as even you claim), because it is self-evident. A privilege is a mechanism of law or rules. Again, (and please pay attention this time) they are two COMPLETELY different things.

If you SHOULD have something, it is not a privilege, but a right you are being denied. If it were a privilege only, *should* doesn't even factor in.

You cannot have your cake and eat it, too, but you are too caught up in being right to recognize that this is EXACTLY what you're trying to do.

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 12066 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:07:13 PM
Not read the whole 99 comments but ..
Be fecked ... Its a pisstake funny funny post
Ya know Monty Python esque
for fu cks sake lighten up and laugh at it
far too up tight you yankee sorts

mrtomz
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 55 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:07:03 PM
Objective ruling: pirate fish wins, 5cats and humanaction appear to be really, really stupid.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:05:34 PM
@Whodat: So heterosexuals can still be denied the right to marriage, correct? And gays too if a man wanted to marry his Dad, eh?

You've caught me on a technicality, I was indeed referring to "sexuality" or other forms of the term.
I still am referring to the same thing, and my point still stands, so...

The POINT @PirateFish keeps saying is equal rights for all. If he wishes to restrict granting rights to "sexual orientation" that's his problem.

That doesn't make marriage a RIGHT does it? It's still restricted, denied to some.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 668 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:02:36 PM
@HumanNature:

"Either way, you, and anyone else who agrees with you - dead or alive - is committing a number of logical fallacies in declaring so."

Really, how so? It's obvious you are confusing validity with something else. Besides, if you really want to split hairs, everything boils down to epistemology and NOTHING can be proven as a fact. If that is truly the basis for something to be considered as true, nothing can ever be known, much less "proven".

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:01:29 PM
@piratefish

By saying we SHOULD be able to do something indicates that you DO in fact subscribe to the idea I have been talking about from the beginning: that we all have a fundamental, self-evident right to be treated equally, but that the law is (once again) interfering with that right for a group of people.

Actually, no - it means that you don't know the difference between a right and a privilege.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:00:27 PM
@piratefish

And having another uneducated person chime in on your side only proves that there is more than one unread fool on the planet. It is obvious that neither you, nor he, have done any reading on the topic, and that neither of you have had so much as a single principles of logic course at your local community colleges.

Like I said already - we get it. You're just so damned educated and intelligent that you can just dismiss everyone else. I wish I was that cool. Sadly, I'm stuck here just arguing away with facts and logic and whatnot. *sigh*

Still though, I wish you could tell me where the rights actually come from. Nature, God, Principles? Well, I guess I'm just not educated enough to know.

Your thinly disguised bigotry is pretty obvious.

Ha! You clearly do not know me. I'm further left when it comes to civil rights than any liberal I know.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 668 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:59:05 PM
By saying we SHOULD be able to do something indicates that you DO in fact subscribe to the idea I have been talking about from the beginning: that we all have a fundamental, self-evident right to be treated equally, but that the law is (once again) interfering with that right for a group of people.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3745 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:57:12 PM
"No, no they do not! Pedophiles, for example. Necrophiles, lots of "sexual orientations" are illegal."

Pedophilia and Necrophilia are NOT a "sexual orientation".

By definition, sexual orientation refers to the gender a person is attracted to.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 668 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:57:07 PM
@HumanNature:

"On a side note, just to clear up any confusion for people, I am only arguing the semantics involved. I believe that everyone *should* have the right to marry whoever the hell they want to. However, as we know to be the case, that is currently untrue."

Oh, and one other thing: you're above statement just summed up my argument beautifully, but you obviously haven't been paying attention enough to understand it.

The very fact that you qualified your statement with *should* means that you agree we NATURALLY have the right to equal treatment under the law. Either that, or you don't really mean what you just said and are simply pandering to the majority who see things differently than you on the topic of gay marriage.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:55:24 PM
@piratefish

One mistake you seem to be making is in the assumption that natural means "by nature". When in fact, natural law and natural rights are derived from self-evident principles

Either way, you, and anyone else who agrees with you - dead or alive - is committing a number of logical fallacies in declaring so.

There is no possible evidence you can present to back this theory. Rather, your only hope is to rely on the preaching of others throughout history who thought similarly.

Unfortunately, the people you're referencing most often cited God when referring to nature. Again, this is neither a defensible nor testable position. In other words, it's a subjective opinion not routed in logic or facts.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 668 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:53:13 PM
@HumanNature:

"On a side note, just to clear up any confusion for people, I am only arguing the semantics involved. I believe that everyone *should* have the right to marry whoever the hell they want to. However, as we know to be the case, that is currently untrue."

Trying to have your cake and eat it, too?

Your argument of semantics has failed completely. You haven't even demonstrated that you grasp the argument, but have declared yourself correct.

And having another uneducated person chime in on your side only proves that there is more than one unread fool on the planet. It is obvious that neither you, nor he, have done any reading on the topic, and that neither of you have had so much as a single principles of logic course at your local community colleges.

Your thinly disguised bigotry is pretty obvious.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:52:24 PM
Oh really, and who are these groups?


@PirateFish: Polygamists? Incestous? Necrophiles? Me! They keep denying my licence to marry my 2 cats! I don't know why...

Are you being dumb on purpose?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:50:09 PM
@PirateFish: Thomas Paine wrote that Gay Marriage is a Human Right??

Gee, I was unaware of that...

Marriage isn't a human right, it's a societal construction.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 668 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:48:52 PM
@5cats:

"There's LOTS of groups of people being "denied marriage rights" currently."

Oh really, and who are these groups?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:48:29 PM
@HumanAction: I totally agree! If you're going to hold and defend a position? At least TRY to base it on facts & reality.
Or just admit that it's opinion, that's cool too.

But stating an opinion, passing it as fact and insulting others who disagree (or simply point out it's wrong) is not cool.

Gays marry? Who cares! Polygamy? Have a party!

I really love my cats... >^,.^<

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 668 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:46:59 PM
@HumanAction:

"You don't need to provide any evidence that we get our rights from nature. Simply saying that some people you never met from hundreds or thousands of years ago said so is totally sufficient."

It is not my job to educate you on everything. You have a responsibility to do your own reading. But I will offer some suggestions on where to start:

Anything by the philosopher John Locke

George Mason "Virginia Declaration of Rights"

Francis Hutcheson "Inquiry into the Original of Our Ideas of Beauty and Virtue"

Anything by Georg Hagel

The United States Declaration of Independence

Thomas Paine "Rights of Man"

John Finnis "Natural Law and Natural Rights"

One mistake you seem to be making is in the assumption that natural means "by nature". When in fact, natural law and natural rights are derived from self-evident principles, not fro

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:44:54 PM
that equal treatment under law is being denied to a group of people solely based on their sexual orientation.


@PirateFish: Which group are you talking about? There's LOTS of groups of people being "denied marriage rights" currently.

...of their natural sexual preferences.


So, again, homosexuals should have rights that others don't? This is the backbone of your position, yes?
Since society justifiably denies SOME groups the right of marriage, how can it even considered a "right"? It is, in fact, something else, correct?

everyone has the RIGHT to equal treatment regardless of their sexual orientation.


No, no they do not! Pedophiles, for example. Necrophiles, lots of "sexual orientations" are illegal. Rightfully so!

Cripes man, think before you pontificate!

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:43:15 PM
Lol, thanks Mech.

On a side note, just to clear up any confusion for people, I am only arguing the semantics involved. I believe that everyone *should* have the right to marry whoever the hell they want to. However, as we know to be the case, that is currently untrue.

MechBFP
Male, 18-29, Canada
 829 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:34:02 PM
Also my new signature:
"You don't need to provide any evidence that we get our rights from nature. Simply saying that some people you never met from hundreds or thousands of years ago said so is totally sufficient."

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 668 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:33:23 PM
@5cats:

I'll break it down for you.

The issue is precisely what patchouly has stated: that equal treatment under law is being denied to a group of people solely based on their sexual orientation.

The right in question is the right to be treated equally - not to marry. The argument is simple: if you allow one group to marry, then you should not deny that privilege to another group based solely on the strength that you do not approve of their natural sexual preferences.

It has nothing to do with hiding behind artificial, man-made laws that have a history of oppression and discrimination. It has everything to do with treating an entire group of people as having no right to equal treatment in society. In short, it's bigoted and elitist no matter how it's dressed up.

I don't expect to change your mind, but I do hope to earn respect for the idea that everyone has the RIGHT to equal treatment regardless of their sexual orientation.

MechBFP
Male, 18-29, Canada
 829 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:32:56 PM
piratefish = owned beyond comprehension. Well done guys.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:28:51 PM
@piratefish

We get it man; you've convinced me. You just simply know so much that you don't need to offer any evidence. I get it now.

You're so awesome. Your logical skills are simply unmatched. If someone suggests that you've made a logical error, you don't even need to defend it. All you need to say is "nuh uh" - that's how awesome you are.

You don't need to provide any evidence that we get our rights from nature. Simply saying that some people you never met from hundreds or thousands of years ago said so is totally sufficient.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:28:26 PM
@PirateFish: So your answer is:

Marriage is a human right that can be denied to certain groups.

Cool!

Gauddith
Female, 18-29, Western US
 226 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 5:28:08 PM
Reading through "debates" on IAB is like watching two dudes trying to hammer the same nail, miss and hit their thumb and then immediately blame the other.

Like, what is my life? Good lord.

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