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10 Reasons To Ban Gay Marriage [Pic]

Hits: 7850 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: iansquall
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:43:55 PM
@piratefish

I'm not the one arguing that homosexuals should not be treated the same as everyone else, that they do not deserve to enter into marriage.

Who has? Please refer to the specific comments.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25708 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:43:20 PM
No one (and certainly not me) is arguing that marriage is a right.


HAHAHAHA!!!
(dies laughing)

You skipped "polygamy" in your round-up there, @PaperTiger...

What's inherently "illegal" about incest? Why are incestuous couples (or groups) denied the same rights as gays?

nor am I aware that these other groups are clamoring for marriage

Then you are ignorant, because they ALL are! And more besides those you've listed.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:42:57 PM
@piratefish

It shouldn't be that foreign of a concept to you if you have grown up in the U.S. and have studied its history or government much at all.

Humor me. Please give me your definition.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 666 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:42:30 PM
@HumanAction:

"Right? I'm glad you're finally seeing the light."

I'm not the one arguing that homosexuals should not be treated the same as everyone else, that they do not deserve to enter into marriage.

Have you been in a different discussion?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:42:19 PM
@piratefish

No one (and certainly not me) is arguing that marriage is a right.

Bullsh*t. That's what we've been arguing about this entire time. That's what first started the argument between you and me.

I said that marriage was a right and you lit into me about it.

If you can't even be honest about this, then that really says something about you.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 666 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:41:08 PM
@HumanAction:

"Also, you STILL have not defined what you think a right is."

Read the preamble to the Constitution of the United States. You'll get a pretty good idea of what I (and nearly every other American) believe a right is.

It shouldn't be that foreign of a concept to you if you have grown up in the U.S. and have studied its history or government much at all.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:39:57 PM
@piratefish

Ignorance and bigotry are disgusting.

Right? I'm glad you're finally seeing the light.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25708 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:39:06 PM
@ferdyfred: I don't think I've mentioned the Original Post before, I've just been pointing out how wrong @PirateFish and others are on the subject it raises. The OP is no skin off my teeth...

"paper tiger" means it's a fake argument presented so the creator can easily "shoot it down" without ever being in danger. You knew that, right?

@WhoDat: But some groups, based on their "sexual preferences" alone, are DENIED the right. You're OK with that? What laws have they broken to justify the restriction of their human rights?

A Mother wishing to marry her Daughter, for example?

Ignorance and bigotry are disgusting.


They sure are @PirateFish! I wish you'd stop doing/being both!!

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 666 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:38:19 PM
Again - one last time for everyone who seems to be missing the point:

No one (and certainly not me) is arguing that marriage is a right. What we are arguing is that if you grant it as a matter of course to heterosexuals in 99.99% of the cases, you should also grant the same to homosexuals. It's the right to EQUAL TREATMENT!

And comparing homosexuals to felons, inter-species sex, necrophiliacs, pedophiles, and incestuous couples is absolutely ridiculous. They are hardly parallels, nor am I aware that these other groups are clamoring for marriage. Not to mention that there is no legitimate, modern reason to deny homosexuals the bond of marriage beyond simple bigotry.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:36:10 PM
@piratefish

Also, you STILL have not defined what you think a right is.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:33:04 PM
@piratefish

To pretend to know better or more than them is, quite frankly, absurd and makes you look either A) like a fascist, or B) very uneducated and naive.

To pretend that they were infallible is naive.

So, to be clear, you do not have the right to defend yourself or you property or family until the government gives you that right?

No. You need someone sufficiently capable of ensuring/protecting/guaranteeing a right for it to be a right.

Additionally, you need to make sure that those who are sufficiently capable of revoking that right do not do so.

So, in the case of self-defense:

You need to be able to defend yourself and you need to make sure you will not be punished for doing so.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25708 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:32:55 PM
We have certain rights at all times, regardless of whether or not the law officially recognizes or protects them.


But "marriage" is not one of them.
It is an artificial "social construct" based on traditions. NOT an "inalienable human right" at all.

If it were the latter? You'd support ALL forms of "marriage" and my cats and I would have your blessing! Right?

But you seem to agree (with me!) that certain laws banning certain forms of marriage are justified. Banning any group to deny their RIGHTS... if it was a right... but it's not!

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 666 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:31:18 PM
@freedyfred:

The post was certainly funny, but I find it hard to ignore bigotry and stupidity.

My flaw is thinking that I can actually reason with someone who has no idea how to argue, and who thinks they know it all by the time they're 18-29.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3710 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:31:14 PM
"That doesn't make marriage a RIGHT does it? It's still restricted, denied to some."

I consider it a right to the same extent as our right to vote and bear arms. Voting is considered a right but it can, in fact, be taken away. (felony disenfranchisement) Same goes for felons being denied their 2nd amendment right. A hetero couple that is getting married so one of them can get citizenship is denied on the grounds that they're trying to f*ck the system. They're all rights and, depending on your actions, you can be denied those rights justifiably.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 666 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:29:28 PM
Ignorance and bigotry are disgusting.

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11191 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:29:06 PM
5cats
@ferdyfred: Yeah, it's mildly funny, but really like shooting a "paper tiger" eh

No like 99 percent of you flamers
the post went right over your heads
Its a piss take - capital funny
or for the tin hat brigade like you lot arguing over feck all.... a TROLL
Jeebus you lot .....

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 666 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:28:21 PM
@5cats:

One last time, you idiot:

The right being violated is the right to receive equal treatment under the law - NOT marriage. Please try to pay attention and keep up.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25708 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:28:01 PM
@mrtoms: oh? Do enlighten us on how you've reached your conclusion.

@ferdyfred: Yeah, it's mildly funny, but really like shooting a "paper tiger" eh?

@PirateFish: You've failed to demonstrate why marriage is a "human right". We've pointed this out to you countless times. Your 'arguments' are entirely illogical & based on fallacies or fantasies.

Reality is: Marriage is a social construct. Subject to local laws, not "universal (human) rights" at all!

@WhoDat: Refer to: 5:33:23 PM
@PirateFish also uses the term: "sexual preferences" correct? That it's WRONG to deny something based on that. THAT is what I was basing my reply to, so I am right after all.
Again.
Unless you want to be a "typo-Nazi" about it...

Oooo, IC! I corrected that post because it wasn't very good. (5:52:24 PM)
I removed the offending line, lolz!
Much ado about nothing, eh?

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 666 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:25:57 PM
@HumanNature:

"A right is only a right if we currently have it."

We have certain rights at all times, regardless of whether or not the law officially recognizes or protects them. Our forefathers believed very strongly in this principle and founded our society upon it. To pretend to know better or more than them is, quite frankly, absurd and makes you look either A) like a fascist, or B) very uneducated and naive.

So, to be clear, you do not have the right to defend yourself or you property or family until the government gives you that right? Correct? Because that is exactly your argument. I say I have that right (and many others) regardless of what my government says. And I think you will find that nearly every American will agree with me on that argument.


ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11191 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:14:05 PM
ArgusTuft
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Ok I'll sit from a distance and watch the fight with a beer

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:12:19 PM
@piratefish

A right is something we SHOULD have

A right is only a right if we currently have it.

because it is self-evident

Fallacy-street.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25708 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:11:33 PM
I have been talking about from the beginning: that we all have a fundamental, self-evident right to be treated equally, but that the law is (once again) interfering with that right for a group of people.


Wait @PirateFish: "we all" (in the above quote) has nothing to do with "sexual orientation". Which is it that you're talking about?

So long as some groups ARE denied marriage, and YOU agree with it, it's either:
- not a right
- you're the bigot here

And how can "bi-sexuals" properly marry if it's restricted to 1 partner? Hey @WhoDat? Wouldn't it require 2 partners? One of each gender? Hey? Discrimination!

ArgusTuft
Male, 50-59, Australia
 688 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:11:01 PM
@Ferdy...hush! These guys are funny. We are amused.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:10:48 PM
@piratefish

Really, how so?

Your line about self-evident principles is full of fallacies.

Foremost, it's special pleading. Your claim that these principles are self-evident is unverifiable and cannot be tested. The "self-evident principles" cannot be defined in any objective sense.

Next, this reeks of fait accompli. You act as if this is an accomplished fact that need no explanation.

Which leads us to the part where you plead to authority. Inevitably, you follow my rebuttals by pleading to some historical figure.

Here to help, my friend. Here to help.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 666 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:10:27 PM
@5cats:

You're obviously either very drunk or stupid. It's difficult to even follow what you might be trying to say.

You haven't made a lick of sense since your first post on this thread.

I think you're simply trolling and trying to turn this into something that it's not and never was.

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