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10 Reasons To Ban Gay Marriage [Pic]

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BuckeyeJoe
Male, 40-49, Europe
 29 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:11:19 PM
@5Cats

Actually, in this Country, life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness ARE inalienable rights. Anti-gay marriage proponents must demonstrate that selective marriage laws do NOT impede the liberty of those involved. The burden of proof is on them. They of course always fail to do so, hence often fall back on religious arguments. Or claim that allowing this will somehow impede THEIR liberty, although no thinking person really buys this anymore.....

Your line of reasoning about marrying cats is...absurd, since obviously consent from a feline cannot be determined -- thus the impact on its liberty cannot be evaluated.

I have a feeling you are in fact smarter than these silly arguments belie. Why don't you give us the real 5Cats: stop being purposefully obtuse -- it is not necessary.

Stay outta the catbox.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 666 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:11:07 PM
@HumanNature:

"Now, up until now, I've specifically avoided saying what *should* be, what I wish would be, or anything really about my ideal outcome. Since you've now brought it into the conversation - as to confound my argument I assume - I will express my views now."

The very nature of this discussion demands a conversation on and a look at what should be. It is at the heart of the matter, and it would be impossible to discuss it without talking about what should be versus what is. The whole point is that "what is" violates basic human rights, and therefore should be changed.

Arguing about "what is" is completely pointless. No one disagrees on "what is"; we disagree that "what is" is incorrect and goes against basic human rights: the right to be treated equally and to "pursue happiness" in a manner that does no harm to anyone else.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:10:12 PM

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:09:33 PM
@piratefish

rights that were held sacred by our nation's founders and specifically enumerated under our Constitution as being inalienable and PROTECTED.

Now your argument is changing.

Are you now saying that some rights exist that are inalienable because they are in the Constitution (guaranteed by the government) as opposed to magically existing?

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:06:19 PM

I'm a conservative republican. I believe in Family Values.

And my homo-Husband does too!

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 666 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:06:16 PM
@HumanNature:

"These are the points you've been arguing with me about thus far."

No, they're not. That's what you've been circling back on time and time again. I moved past those notions when I told you that I believe the issue is about equal treatment under the law; which is a matter of natural (self-evident) rights - rights that were held sacred by our nation's founders and specifically enumerated under our Constitution as being inalienable and PROTECTED.

That has been what I have been arguing all along. We have rights independent of any laws, and irrespective of any government. One of those rights is the right to be treated equally and not to be discriminated against on the basis of homosexuality.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:05:07 PM

It's Friday...I'ev had too many beers.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:04:44 PM

There are 7 pages of posts already to this topic. It's great people so passionately debate the topic, but way more than I want to read. I was busy outside drinking and laughing with my hispanic neighbors. {I have minority friends 'cause I'm so liberal.} 555

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:04:31 PM
@piratefish

Now, up until now, I've specifically avoided saying what *should* be, what I wish would be, or anything really about my ideal outcome. Since you've now brought it into the conversation - as to confound my argument I assume - I will express my views now.

Ideally, marriage should not licensed by any government. Rather, it should be an agreement between/among any consenting adults.

If marriage is to be licensed by a government, then it must be available to all people equally. Under law, every person should be treated equally and I think it is despicable to single out "groups" of people in legislation. You will find that this is consistent in all of my other arguments too, including tax discussions for instance.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:02:42 PM

P.S. the majority of people now support marriage between 2 people. Gender doesn't matter. Source

I say "gender doesn't matter" 'cause I'm tired of saying same-sex marriage. Of course it's the same. It's the same sex years before you get married. But you like them anyhow and get hitched.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 666 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:00:54 PM
@5cats:

Look, you f-ing idiot, this is the last time I say it to you (and the last time I even acknowledge your trollish existence):

I have NEVER argued that marriage is a right - not once, not ever. I have, however, argued that gays have a right to the same treatment under law (whether that has to do with marriage, voting, driving, property ownership, gun ownership, tax treatment, etc.).

Can you get that through your thick f-ing skull? It's so simple a kindergartner with brain damage can understand it.

Now go troll someone else with your constant, utter nonsense.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:00:53 PM
@piratefish

Either way, since my mistake is the point of confusion, I will clarify my point now. You will find that this is consistent with every previous comment I've made thus far, save for the one error.

1. Marriage is not currently a right because it is not freely available to everyone equally.
2. Marriage is a privilege because it can be revoked, denied, and licensed by a third party (government).

These are the points you've been arguing with me about thus far.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:59:43 PM

Many of you may not be awar that I am a homosexuwalay. I know, it's a shocker I know, but it's true. Now I understand everyone has their own values and belief system, so I understand why some people don't like same-sex marriage. But what I don't get - and puhleez! explain it to me - is why they think everyone else has to live by their standard. Or as the philosophers say, who schit and left them in charge?


5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25691 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:59:42 PM
Do not speak for me. I say nothing of the sort.


Sorry @HumanAction, I thought it was implied in your arguments. My bad!

@FerdyFred: Goodnight "Jim-Bob" (lolz! I had to look up the names of the other Walton kids...)

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:58:16 PM
@piratefish

you've claimed marriage is BOTH a right AND a privilege

Ah yes, you're correct. The first part (most recent) is a mistype as I am multitasking. Sorry, I do not have the time to sit here and devote all of my attention.

I have held consistently throughout this discussion (save for the last error) that marriage, in its current state, is a privilege and is not a right.

Also, I've held that this is not to say that it is the way is *should* be as opposed to the way it is.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 666 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:55:36 PM
@HumanAction:

"I said that marriage was a right and you lit into me about it." - a direct quote from you.

"...we can clearly see that marriage is, in fact, a privilege offered by the government..." - also a direct quote from you.

How did I extrapolate anything else from your statements? You tell me...you've claimed marriage is BOTH a right AND a privilege. So which is it? You've been all over the place with your statements.


5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25691 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:55:13 PM
"Rights don't exist until they're granted by the bigots in power?" 2:56:00 PM

@PirateFish: You're discussing marriage here as if it were a "right" yes?
There's TONS more where you're ranting on about rights and denial of rights, YOU are the one claiming marriage is a right, ok?

If it's a privilege? Then your dragging the Founding Fathers into this is... stupid.

"who could effectively argue that, in our modern society, marriage is not a right" 2:51:27 PM

Right before you say that heterosexuals are ALSO denied this 'right'... undermining your own argument, lolz!

You need more proof?

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11186 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:54:39 PM
piratefish

Know where your coming from..

Just smile and nod your head....

and mutter ..TWAT, under your breath sir

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 666 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:51:40 PM
@ferdyfred:

I know you're right. It's just that sometimes I run across someone who is so stupid and ignorant, they remind me of why there are so many unresolved problems in the world. It's like the entire screwed up reasoning on the planet suddenly gets a face, and I just can't help myself. Then I realize I probably sounded just as ignorant 25 years ago, and that 25 years from now I'll realize how ignorant I seem just now.

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11186 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:51:34 PM
Off to bed now, and I love all of you
Tis what IAB is, rather like a disruptive extended
Walton family !

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:51:21 PM
@5Cats

WE say you need a darn good reason to change it!

Do not speak for me. I say nothing of the sort.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:50:35 PM
@piratefish

Marriage is a privilege in its current construct; you agreed to that below. I have no idea how you extrapolated anything more from it, but you're clearly mistaken.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25691 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:48:24 PM
I'm not the one arguing that homosexuals should not be treated the same as everyone else, that they do not deserve to enter into marriage.


Neither are we!
What YOU are really arguing is that the LEGAL Definition of "marriage" should be changed.
WE say you need a darn good reason to change it!

You list your reasons, and we point out how illogical they are. Not that "gays should never marry" BUT that your logic sucks! Donkey balls!

And since plenty of other "sexual preferences" also want legitimate, legal marriages, THEY TOO want the laws changed. You are on their side, like it or not.

If you argue (and you have!) that ONLY gays and heteros be allowed to have legal marriages, and other "sexual preferences" NOT? It makes you... ignorant and bigoted!
Your own words, eat them.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 666 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:47:36 PM
@HumanAction:

"If marriage were currently a right, then it could not be denied due to a persons sexual orientation. Since we are having this discussion, we can clearly see that marriage is, in fact, a privilege offered by the government so long as you follow their rules."

Ring any bells? This is a direct quote from you. You CLEARLY state that marriage is a PRIVILEGE. And this was your very first post on this thread.

And your entire argument has been that gays do not have the same right to equal treatment under the law, because the law doesn't allow for it. Believe it or not, that is EXACTLY what you have been arguing. But don't take my word for it - read back through the posts.

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11186 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 6:47:01 PM
piratefish
When your 12 you think you know everything, 21 you know everything, Im 45 now and finally come to the conclusion life is too short to know everything, so I do not 'try' to bang on about things which are close to heart, I just settle down in the knowledge that in my own mind I 'Know' and let the rest fight amongst themselves

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