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10 Reasons To Ban Gay Marriage [Pic]

Hits: 7851 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: iansquall
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mykunter
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 2275 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:45:47 PM
So, we're FINALLY on to polygamy! I mean, if gay marriage gets universal acceptance, then 'logically' (did I use that word correctly?) polygamy is the next step. Right?

I'm not sure bestiality could ever be considered consensual. Sorry 5Cats.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:38:15 PM

" I'm talking about polygamous, inter-species marriage rights!"

Let me start by saying "Huh? what?"
Who are you to dictate that all relationships MUST be polygamous? I don't care where my husband has lunch as long as he comes home for supper

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:35:58 PM

piratefish,
"What makes you think I'm straight"

What makes you think the comments were directed at you ?

*cough*egomaniac*cough*

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25772 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:35:15 PM
@Gerry1: I'm talking about polygamous, inter-species marriage rights!

Heterosexually of course, they're both female cats!

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:35:03 PM
@piratefish

no hard feelings on my end

No worries. I enjoy arguments and I see them as a sign of respect. If someone did not respect you, they would dismiss your argument instead of trying to refute it.

I hope, after all this, you now have a better idea of what my argument is.

Honestly, I really don't. XD

Have a great night.

... and you as well.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:34:15 PM

I set up life insurance.
I set up a living will.
I set up a will.
I set up medical power of attorney.
I set up power of attorney.
I set up inheritance statute.
I put everything I own in his joint name so we don't pay inheritance tax for all the schit we already own.

Gosh, this would all have been easier if we just got married.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 667 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:32:48 PM
@Gerry:

What makes you think I'm straight?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25772 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:32:47 PM
This was one of the very first posts...

@PirateFish: And you've utterly misunderstood it. And taken it entirely OUT of context too!
The "double whammy" of ignorance!

I wouldn't trust humans to reliably spread His message over hundreds of years.

@broizfam: As a Deist, I completely agree!

Luckily no one has resorted to the Bible in this discussion... yet.

Hummm, only 1 beer in the fridge, and no I haven't had anything to drink yet! I should go get some, eh?

@Gerry1: I thought you got married ages ago! You should be able to file joint returns if you like.

Actually? The Government should try to get OUT of the marriage business as much as possible, but that's NOT likely to happen, ever.
Sorry to talk about *should* eh?

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 667 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:31:32 PM
Well, gents, it's been real, but WAYYYY too much time has gotten away from me.

@HumanAction - no hard feelings on my end. I hope, after all this, you now have a better idea of what my argument is.

I am sure we agree on far more than we disagree on. And I am sure you're a very intelligent person who can do circles around me on many topics. I respect your opinions and you as a person. Have a great night.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:30:12 PM

look at all the straight people arguing gay rights

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:30:06 PM
@piratefish

And you clearly mocked my reference to the Constitution.

I still do.

You were stating that some rights exist that transcend the government, law, and man. Then, you try to prove it by using a law written by men.

Again, I think this is silly and will continue to mock it.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:28:15 PM
@piratefish

was that our Constitution was founded on the idea that we have inalienable rights.

OK. Well, I certainly agree that it was founded on that concept.

And you mocked the notion of inalienable rights

... and I still do regardless of the person saying it. It's utter nonsense that a right simply exists. How could it? If you say it exists because it's in the Constitution, then you admit that it is a legal right, as the Constitution is law.

Otherwise, you'd be suggesting that a right simply exists regardless of whether or not it's enforced, protected, or obstructed. Do you suggest this?

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 667 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:27:22 PM
@HumanAction:

"@piratefish

Are they also as ignorant as I am?

My God; do you really not know what the appeal to ignorance fallacy is? Yet you preach to me about logic. Fantastic.

The argument I quoted was an appeal to ignorance. You cannot explain where we get these rights from, so you merely conclude that 'they just exist in nature by virtue of our birth'.

It's even in our Constitution.

Appeal to authority. You're on a roll. I like how you're using the Constitution (a law) to explain how laws (like the Constitution) don't define rights."

Sound familiar? These are your words - exactly. And you clearly mocked my reference to the Constitution.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:24:17 PM
@piratefish

This was one of the very first posts from me in our exchange...it was made about 6 and a half hours ago.

I have a good memory.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 667 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:23:39 PM
@HumanNature:

"No, I mocked your stance that they were granted by "nature" or "principles".

In fact, in several instances, you specifically state that you think the rights transcend or supersede the law and the Constitution. You're clearly flip-flopping now, and I'm not sure if it's for trolling purposes, or something else."

You really need to back up and read the conversation again. I have never flip-flopped. You did not listen to what I was saying and jumped to conclusions on your own.

My argument from the very beginning (see my last post where I directly quote myself) was that our Constitution was founded on the idea that we have inalienable rights. And you mocked the notion of inalienable rights - a principle that I openly stated several times was not my own, but was much older than either of us. Still, you mocked it.

GeoffwasHere
Male, 40-49, Western US
 188 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:23:02 PM
Different strokes for different folks... Oh boy, I really did not have a pun intended with that statement.

This argument, as far as I have seen it in media, boils down to religious interpretation of scripture throughout the ages. The interpretation of these writings has always changed as we always evolve as a society.

If we grant a "Same Sex Union" across the board, around the world, with the same rights as any "traditional" marriage, would this new moniker make both parties happy? Probably not, but it would be a step.

I am straight, but I have learned enough to know that being gay is not a chosen life style it is a natural part of life that has been around since the beginning of human life.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:22:50 PM

hello.... Hello.... HELLOO!!!!!

I'm the Phycking Phag getting married. I've lost track of this conversation!!!!!! Let's bring it back around ME!

Look, I got someone I like. Someone I spent the last 22 years with building a life with. We just took out a car loan "together". Or old car we're giving to the niece who married to the dirt-poor youth minister at church. {They need a new car what with 2 babies and all.} I just got jury duty and he's working overtime. We're just like you. So answer me in a simple question; what the phuck is your problem if we file our tax returns jointly????? ?????? ??????

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25772 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:22:26 PM
We have rights independent of any laws, and irrespective of any government.

So, @PirateFish? Is "marriage" one of those rights?

Actually, in this Country, life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness ARE inalienable rights.

@BuckEyeJoe: Hi! Glad that you've stuck around!

I'm not "anti-gay marriage" at all! I do know this is about "marriage rights" despite @PirateFish's sudden change of position...

I have mentioned "polygamy" several times. It's a form of marriage that is currently illegal too. @PirateFish (and others) have conspicuously ignored it... so I included some other things, which they happily paid attention to! Funny how that works...

I think the expression you're looking for is: "Stay out of the catnip" eh? It's my right to use the litterbox!!

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3515 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:20:43 PM
@Gerry,
Excellent selection! Also, re: your earlier question - I think it's because of how fallible humans accept, blindly, the word of other fallible humans regarding the "Word of God". Even if there is a God, I wouldn't trust humans to reliably spread His message over hundreds of years.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 667 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:19:12 PM
@HumanAction:

"My view is more similar to that of our forefathers...further, I believe, as did the framers of our Constitution, that it is a government's obligation to protect these natural rights. So my answer to your question of whether or not a right can legally be denied to someone (on any basis, let alone sexual orientation) is - YES. And, sadly, history is chock full of examples of this very kind of oppression."

This was one of the very first posts from me in our exchange...it was made about 6 and a half hours ago.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:17:06 PM
@piratefish

That has been one of the key points of my argument from the beginning: one that you openly mocked an hour or two ago.

No, I mocked your stance that they were granted by "nature" or "principles".

In fact, in several instances, you specifically state that you think the rights transcend or supersede the law and the Constitution. You're clearly flip-flopping now, and I'm not sure if it's for trolling purposes, or something else.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:14:45 PM
@piratefish

The very nature of this discussion demands a conversation on and a look at what should be.

I couldn't have been much clearer that I was arguing about "what is" as opposed to what should be.

If you go back, I specifically state so several times to clarify.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25772 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:13:39 PM
I have NEVER argued that marriage is a right - not once, not ever.

@PirateFish: Liar, I just quoted you!

I have, however, argued that gays have a right to the same treatment under law

And I've pointed out that others, including heteros, do NOT have the "right to marriage" either! So I've asked you (twice, iirc) why gays should have more rights than others.

If it's a privilege? Then what's your point? Why are you even arguing? I've never once claimed "gays should not get married". Not f-ing once!

@Gerry1: So society agrees and changes the law about gays having privilege of getting married?
I'm fine with that! It already happened in Canada.

Plenty of conservative gays out there @Gerry1! Don't believe the MSM's lies. Blacks, women, gays, lots of different groups have conservatives hiding among them.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:13:27 PM
@piratefish

Here are two of your statements thus far in this conversation. I'm interested to understand how you marry the two:

1. "In other words, we all have natural rights, which would include the right to pair with one another as we see fit."

2. "No one (and certainly not me) is arguing that marriage is a right."

To me, these are contradicting. My argument up until this last page has been entirely under the assumption that you were arguing on behalf of the first point above.

piratefish
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 667 Posts
Friday, March 14, 2014 7:13:06 PM
@HumanRights:

"Now your argument is changing.

Are you now saying that some rights exist that are inalienable because they are in the Constitution (guaranteed by the government) as opposed to magically existing?"

Seriously? Where have you been this entire time. That has been one of the key points of my argument from the beginning: one that you openly mocked an hour or two ago.

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