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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:16:48 AM
@JadesDitoyr

On a personal level, I would say that you seem to be a very cool guy with a particularly healthy religious view. I'm enjoying talking to you! Hopefully I'll catch you the next time this topic rolls around.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:15:16 AM
@JadesDitoyr

"I would ask that you not even judge Christianity by my actions, but by the teachings of the Dying Messiah."

That's exactly what I try to do, to varying degrees of success. I judge you on how you act, and I judge the ideas of your religion on their merits alone.

Does this help to explain why I don't see CrakrJak's charitable deeds as being part of my judgement of Christianity as an idea, nor do I see Christianity the idea as being part of my judgement of your actions? Christianity is not a good idea because Christians are good people, and Christians are not good people because Christianity is a good idea.

I find too many problems seem to stem from being unable to disentangle the idea from the person. McGovern1981, for example, seems unable to recognise that Dawkins and atheism are seperate things, and that the merits and failings of one are largely unrelated to the other.

JadesDitoyr
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 498 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:22:46 PM
@Musuko42

If judged on each of our actions, we will always be judged unworthy. But, for an outsider, I would ask that you not even judge Christianity by my actions, but by the teachings of the Dying Messiah.

I could never hold myself up as a good example, but I can tell you who I respect and who I try to emulate - and why.

So, I do completely agree that I cannot rest my laurels on the virtues of others. I should, though, be able to use them to explain what changes I am trying to make within my life - with the help of God.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 4:47:19 PM
@JadesDitoyr

"but by the same token we can all agree that WBC does not behave in actions that one would typically associate with the teachings of Christ."

Absolutely agreed. Can you agree that, if your detractors cannot use the WBC's actions in an argument against your beliefs, your supporters cannot use other Christian's actions in support of your beliefs, and your beliefs and your actions must stand on their own merit alone?

"a) The verse is taken out of context in attempt to portray an inaccurate view on a Faith"

I absolutely agree. At no point have I expressed any support for that billboard and what it's trying to do.

"b) On an overall level, the Christians of IAB are not bad apples?"

Also agreed. I wouldn't hang around and debate with them if they weren't generally pleasant to do this with.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 4:43:29 PM
@McGovern1981

"I don't recall ever being invited just like public places you can go there if you like and you can also be banned from there like this place."

It's privately owned and run. That conversation is now ended, because you are just trying to distract with semantics now.

"I'd say most would disagree with you."

And they're free to do so. I don't speak for them and they don't speak for me. I am telling you my own personal thoughts alone. Do you understand what I am saying?

"I'm still not seeing how this makes the evangelical atheist preaching here any better than fundy crap considering you've verified both are believes."

It doesn't, and I haven't said it does.

Can you not understand that "fundie" atheists do not speak for me? Dawkins is not the atheist pope. He speaks only for himself.

JadesDitoyr
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 498 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:53:37 PM
@Musuko
By no means am I saying that Christians should divide themselves and condemn others for not fitting our type of Christianity; but by the same token we can all agree that WBC does not behave in actions that one would typically associate with the teachings of Christ.

I understand that you have deep seated issues with religion, but can you concede that

a) The verse is taken out of context in attempt to portray an inaccurate view on a Faith
b) On an overall level, the Christians of IAB are not bad apples?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:48:48 PM
so atheism isn't the belief that the box is empty. It's simply not believing that there is a cake/god in there.


I'd say most would disagree with you. They like to claim they're certain there is no cake. I'm still not seeing how this makes the evangelical atheist preaching here any better than fundy crap considering you've verified both are believes.

Nobody likes a self righteous douche nozzle.


That about sums it up.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:43:54 PM
so atheism isn't the belief that the box is empty. It's simply not believing that there is a cake/god in there.


I'd say most would disagree with you. They like to claim they're certain there is no cake.

Nobody likes a self righteous douche nozzle. [/quote[

That about sums it up.


McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:31:31 PM
It's a private place into which we have been invited


I don't recall ever being invited just like public places you can go there if you like and you can also be banned from there like this place.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:32:46 AM
@McGovern1981

"BTW you buddy isn't as sure as you like to say either...."

Dawkins can say what he likes. He is not me and I am not him. I do not follow where he leads, and what he believes does not dictate what I believe, despite what you keep saying.

"Now maybe I'm misunderstanding something but isn't this soliciting sort of thing that you hate done in public much like this third place you speak of?"

This third place, i-am-bored.com, is not a public place. It's a private place into which we have been invited. It's a little different from preaching on the public street. In fact, IAB fits the description of a church, which I am fine with.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:29:14 AM
@McGovern1981

"That's quite the contradiction you don't believe there is a god but don't believe there isn't. Do you mean you can't prove one way or another then that wouldn't be atheist that'd be Agnostic."

If I have a box, here on my desk, I could say I don't believe there is a cake inside it. But that doesn't mean that I believe the box is empty...merely that I have no reason to believe what's in there is a cake. It could be a dog poop, or a cup of tea, or indeed nothing.

Atheism, in the interpretation I understand at least, means not believing in the existence of a deity. I fit that description. Wikipedia agrees: "Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist"

So atheism isn't the belief that the box is empty. It's simply not believing that there is a cake/god in there.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:17:52 AM
As is door to door selling, soliciting for donations, raising awareness for *insert cause here*, soliciting for your vote, offering to pave your driveway with some leftover tarmac, etc etc.



Feel free to be annoyed about it here too, but for different reasons. I didn't come to you to do it. We both came to a third place.


Now maybe I'm misunderstanding something but isn't this soliciting sort of thing that you hate done in public much like this third place you speak of?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:07:10 AM
I can't speak for other atheists, but I personally don't believe there isn't a god...I just don't believe there is a god.


That's quite the contradiction you don't believe there is a god but don't believe there isn't. Do you mean you can't prove one way or another then that wouldn't be atheist that'd be Agnostic. So continue speaking for atheists it's what the cool kids pick.... BTW you buddy isn't as sure as you like to say either....

I can't be sure God does not exist... On a scale of seven, where one means I know he exists, and seven I know he doesn't, I call myself a six... That doesn't mean I'm absolutely confident, that I absolutely know, because I don't. Dawkins on The Telegraph, February 24, 2012,




Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:39:08 AM
@McGovern1981

"No god can't be proven just as much as a god so thereby it's a believe."

I can't speak for other atheists, but I personally don't believe there isn't a god...I just don't believe there is a god.

It's a small, but important distinction; lack of belief does indicate a belief in the alternative.

"You left out preaching why your believe is right and anything else is wrong constantly over the internet......"

We both came here, to the website, for that. Neither of us has gone to eachother's houses. If I knocked on your door to babble at you about all this stuff, then feel free to be annoyed for that.

Feel free to be annoyed about it here too, but for different reasons. I didn't come to you to do it. We both came to a third place.

Because we're bored, aren't we.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:33:33 AM
As is door to door selling, soliciting for donations, raising awareness for *insert cause here*, soliciting for your vote, offering to pave your driveway with some leftover tarmac, etc etc.


You left out preaching why your believe is right and anything else is wrong constantly over the internet......

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1573 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:30:13 AM
Nobody likes a self righteous douche nozzle.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:27:38 AM
But really, what are you trying to say, that athiests have blind faith as well as the religious, as if trying to say that athiests are as bad as the religious? Are you saying that blind faith is a BAD THING? What EXACTLY is your point with saying this sort of thing? "We're morons, but you're no better"?


My my my something I said certainly chapped your ass huh? No god can't be proven just as much as a god so thereby it's a believe. So when you preach your right and they're wrong you're being exactly the same about what you bitch about constantly. You're both far sides of the spectrum no one can stand.


Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:51:11 AM
@McGovern1981

"Door to door preaching = bad and annoying."

As is door to door selling, soliciting for donations, raising awareness for *insert cause here*, soliciting for your vote, offering to pave your driveway with some leftover tarmac, etc etc.

I'm hard-pressed to think of a SINGLE instance where someone who is a stranger to anyone living in my home knocking on my door has turned out to be a WELCOME visit, barring perhaps the postman delivering something I've ordered.

Maybe you gleefully await the visit to your door of a stranger who wants something from you. Maybe it's a cultural difference between our countries. Or maybe I'm the odd one. Who knows.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:47:17 AM
@McGovern1981

"Charity = good nice thing to do (more than what most atheists do.)"

What are you basing that on? Do you have some stats showing the levels of charitable contributions against professed religious leaning?

Or is that just your personal prejudice?

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:45:25 AM
@McGovern1981

"You also love to follow this guy...."

Follow, no. Agree with, yes. If he started spouting nonsense, I'd disagree with him.

But really, what are you trying to say, that athiests have blind faith as well as the religious, as if trying to say that athiests are as bad as the religious? Are you saying that blind faith is a BAD THING? What EXACTLY is your point with saying this sort of thing? "We're morons, but you're no better"?

Really, think before you speak. Jeez.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:44:49 AM
@CrakrJak

Charity = good nice thing to do (more than what most atheists do.)

Door to door preaching = bad and annoying.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:42:49 AM
@JadesDitoyr

In short: you can't say Crakr's charitable contributions (self-congratulation aside) represent an acheivement of the Christian religion, but in the same breath write off unpleasantness like the Westboro crew as "being bad apples".

Either you blame/praise the religion for ALL the actions of the members of the group (those done in its name at any rate...CrakrJak's charity and godhatesfags.com both hold up Christianity as the reason for their actions), or you do it for NONE. To pick the good bits and discard the rest...well, that's just politics level of sleazy.

Pragmatically, taking ALL the effects, good and bad, of religion being around, you can ask; has this provided a net benefit or detriment to mankind? The answer will be different depending on who you ask, and that's fine. But you have to look at ALL of the effects to be fair.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:42:23 AM
You also love to follow this guy....

That's not helping I pretty sure he like to yank it while looking in the mirror and doesn't believe in god because he thinks he is one.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:36:40 AM
@JadesDitoyr

Ultimately, however, sometimes it isn't just a few bad apples, depending on what view you have. To many, the entire CONCEPT of Christianity, and religion in general, is a bad one, and no amount of good deeds coming from it can excuse the fundamental stink of the bad idea at its core.

For example (and chosing this example to avoid a Godwin offence), does the Soviet Union's staggering acheivement in industrialisation excuse the fundamentally corrupt and abhorant nature of the totalitarian, communist regime that allowed it to happen?

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:32:10 AM
JadesDitoyr

"What 747 was talking about, from what I gather - correct me if I'm wrong, brother - is how when one of these bad apples shows up the culture outside of the church responds with "Fecking Christians" and condemns us on the actions of that bad apple."

A valid complaint, I'm sure. And no person likes to be tarnished with the same brush as those within their group who misbehave.

BUT if you are free to disassociate yourself from the misdeeds of others of your group, you must also be prevented from claiming to be part of the good deeds the others in your group have done.

Nor can you point to all the good things your group does and say what a great group you are, then wave away the bad things the group has done, saying "those members aren't really part of our group". It's the "no true scotsman" thing all over again.

Own up to ALL your group does, Westboro and all, or NONE of it.

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