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Minimum Wage Argument [Pic]

Hits: 8537 | Rating: (3.1) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: patchouly
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4522 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:26:00 AM
JadesDitoyr-"You were lucky that you had the knowledge and opportunity to adapt to the situation that you were in."

The knowledge I earned. I gave up much of my entertainment life to acquire it. And I continue to acquire it.

And was willing to adapt. I was lucky to live in a society that allows the chance.

I could also say I'm lucky to have my health, but I know too many in worse health that are just as successful. When I see a married couple, a Paraplegic with a full-time job married to a Quadriplegic with a successful engineering gig make it succesfully, I tend to have very little patience with fools who blame 'luck'.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:25:00 AM
So... to recap:

You're poor due to the actions of some unknown people you've never met who broke through an imaginary threshold of greed at some unknown time. Additionally, a spectacular bout of unluckiness has further compounded your difficulties by suppressing your otherwise brilliant mind and abilities.

Because of this, we should do "something" - albeit you have no idea what that "something" is.

This is why I can't take people like you seriously.

JadesDitoyr
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 489 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:23:59 AM
@patchouly
I don't know either, but we cannot just throw darts at the board and hope that something works.

If we were going to do that, I'd start with removing the leashes to the invisible hand. Oh, yeah baby that will suck. But, after the immediate cracking of the economy we should be able to heal.

Fighting against recession is like trying to fight the tide. The economy needs to run in cycles.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4578 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:18:34 AM
@JadesDitoyr,
The way I see it, if you force them to pay minimum wage, they will raise costs. If you give them more money to create more work, they will keep it and just make higher profits instead. Damned if you do and damed if you don't. At least, by raising the minimum wage, you can keep a few kids from starving to death.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4578 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:16:23 AM
JadesDitoyr:
"I agree, we absolutely do need to do something. But that something isn't minimum wage. I think minimum wage will just make the problem worse.

So what other options are out there?"
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Beats me. But something has to be done. If guys like me are taking all of the part time minimum wage jobs, what are the lower class people doing? They are going on welfare and turning to crime. That would be my guess. Continuing down this road is not a good idea, for any of us.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4578 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:14:44 AM
MeGrendel:
"Let's see. Your EXACT quotes were:
"So, will you pay my rent and feed my kid while I go back to school?"
"Who will pay for the move?"
"Who will feed my kid?"

Doesn't take any contorting to demonstrate that was exactly what you were asking for."

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Really? Okay...not sure if you are trolling or just really dumb. Please tell me you are trolling?

JadesDitoyr
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 489 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:13:43 AM
@patchouly
I agree, we absolutely do need to do something. But that something isn't minimum wage. I think minimum wage will just make the problem worse.

So what other options are out there?

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4578 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:13:27 AM
JadesDitoyr:
"Can we recognize that it does take a degree of intelligence and gumption to take such opportunities and hold on to them? Luck shows you a door - but it is the individual that walks through it right?"
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Absolutely. I am not currently the norm. I have the intelligence to grab hold of opportunities, but the point I'm making is that those opportunities are becoming less and less prevalent. My fear is that, what's happening to me is slowly starting to happen to others like me. Guys like MeGrendel who were able to pull themselves out, aren't able to do that as readily any more. It's getting bad out here. That's the point I'm making.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4522 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:12:51 AM
patchouly-"There's your luck.."

Not luck, I had to ask for the training and prove that it was worth their while to send me.

patchouly-"cool the way your brain contorted them to imply I was asking for a hand out."

Let's see. Your EXACT quotes were:
"So, will you pay my rent and feed my kid while I go back to school?"
"Who will pay for the move?"
"Who will feed my kid?"

Doesn't take any contorting to demonstrate that was exactly what you were asking for.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4578 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:10:37 AM
MeGrendel:
"Truth hurts, doesn't it?"
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No. Your lack of understanding and air of superiority hurts. I'm amazed that someone who was though it and lucky enough to get out, would not be more understanding. But, the lack of compassion is a very typical Republican trait. It's what you guys are best known for.

JadesDitoyr
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 489 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:10:23 AM
@MeGrendel
Lets be fair, there was some luck involved. You were lucky that you had the knowledge and opportunity to adapt to the situation that you were in.

@patchouly
Can we recognize that it does take a degree of intelligence and gumption to take such opportunities and hold on to them? Luck shows you a door - but it is the individual that walks through it right?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:10:01 AM
@patchouly

If you studied economics, then you know that businesses find the limits.

As someone who studies economics and owns a business, I will tell you that there are always companies trying to enter the market by undercutting (aka charging less than) you.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4578 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:07:54 AM
JadesDitoyr:
"I never worked a job for minimum wage, never worked a job without paid lunch, and never worked a job without paid breaks. I'm 28, and do not have a college degree.

The bottom limit on wages for the jobs I've taken was higher than minimum wage. Its why I took those jobs.

The upper limit on goods purchased is subsidized by Minimum Wage."
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I'm glad you were able to do that. I did all the part time jobs. I volunteered when I was too young to work and then started with gas stations, coffee shops, etc. etc. while training to work.

I understand the argument that raising the wage will cause a raise in prices. However, we need to do something. What ever that may be. Because it's only going to get worse out there.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:07:53 AM
@patchouly

It worked well until corporations got greedy.

Can you enlighten me as to which specific timespan that the corporations magically became greedy? I was under the impression that people have always been greedy, and that greed is nothing more than a constant. Apparently, this is untrue?

Also, would you be so kind as to tell me which specific rich person has caused the circumstances of your life? I imagine it's probably one of those "invisible man" things like blaming "society" or the boogey man.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4522 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:06:20 AM
patchouly-" I work as hard you you do."

'hard' is reletive, and does not measure your worth to the company. I worked harder when I was filling pails, drums and tanks...but I accomplish more for my company doing what I do now.

patchouly-"How dare you insinuate that I don't."

I didn't. Your inferrence may be the result of your own inadequacies.

patchouly-"You were lucky. End of story."

No, I took responsibility for myself and didn't b|tch and moan about it being other peoples' fault.

'Luck' is for gambling.

patchouly-"To suggest that your luck in finding something implies that you work harder than me at it"

Again, it was not luck. I went where the jobs were. I changed careers as was needed.

patchouly-"I'm done talking with you."

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4578 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:05:28 AM
MeGrendel:
"patchouly-"Who will pay for the move?"

WHY is it ALWAYS someone elses responsiblity to PAY for YOUR move and YOUR education?

I think we've found your problem.

It's you."
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I think we can safely say it wasn't your intelligence that got you work. Did you feel the zoom of air above your head as my comments zipped past. Very cool the way your brain contorted them to imply I was asking for a hand out.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4578 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:02:49 AM
Wait..you had the opportunity to volunteer for additional training that was offered? There's your luck. I'd jump all over that in a second.

But...you keep your head in the superiority clouds and think you are better than everyone. Typical.

JadesDitoyr
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 489 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:01:07 AM
@patchouly
I never worked a job for minimum wage, never worked a job without paid lunch, and never worked a job without paid breaks. I'm 28, and do not have a college degree.

The bottom limit on wages for the jobs I've taken was higher than minimum wage. Its why I took those jobs.

The upper limit on goods purchased is subsidized by Minimum Wage.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4522 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:00:45 AM
patchouly-"Who will pay for the move?"

WHY is it ALWAYS someone elses responsiblity to PAY for YOUR move and YOUR education?

I think we've found your problem.

It's you.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4578 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:00:33 AM
@MeGrendel,
drat you. I work as hard you you do. How dare you insinuate that I don't. You were lucky. End of story. If one of the jobs I got had paid off and I was able to move up, I wouldn't be in this position. To suggest that your luck in finding something implies that you work harder than me at it, is just the comments of an asshat. I'm done talking with you.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4578 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:58:19 AM
I don't take issue with it, but it does show the mindset of the employer.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4522 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:58:07 AM
patchouly-"That's called "luck"."

No, that's what YOU call 'luck' because you can't seem to understand that people get agead by working their asses off.

To YOU it had nothing to do with my long hours, work ethic, had work and willingness to learn new skills and volunteer for any additional training that they offered.

To YOU it also had nothing to do with me finding a better and easier way to accomplish something, with which I was awarded new responsibilities.

To YOU, it's easier to say 'it's just luck', because you're not willing to make your own luck.

Go ahead, feel bitter because everyone is 'luckier' than you.

I'm sure your daughter will be pround of her 'unlucky' dad. You'll teach her to be 'unlucky' and blame others, too.

MY father, on the other hand, taught me a hard work ethic and to take responsibility for myself.

JadesDitoyr
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 489 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:57:59 AM
@patchouly
We have too many leashes on the invisible hand, the Free Market cannot function in the United States of America, and I'm fairly certain the same is true for Canada as well.

When I was working for the grocery industry, I would get notification at the end of the year with a chart showing my "Total Compensation" - how much went towards my retirement funds, how much went to my health insurance, how much went to the taxes that the corporation had to pay to keep me employed.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4578 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:57:07 AM
@JadesDitoyr
If you studied economics, then you know that businesses find the limits. What's the maximum people will pay? That is now the price we charge. What is the minimum I have to pay my employees? That is now what I pay. What is the most amount of work I can get them to do? That is what I will set as their hours.

It used to be you'd get a one hour lunch break and two coffee breaks, all paid. Now, you only get a half hour lunch, not paid. It was optional, but of course, every employer out there jumped on the opportunity to cut back on paying their employees for lunch and cut back on their breaks.

JadesDitoyr
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 489 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:55:08 AM
@patchouly
Absolutely it will. One party benefits from class warfare and they want it to continue. The greater the poverty in America, the more people who tend to vote Democrat. The greater the wealth in America, the more people who tend to vote Republican.

Does either party want to enact policies that reduce their voting pool?

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