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Hits: 8537 | Rating: (3.1) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: patchouly
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patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4597 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:16:56 AM
MeGrendel:
"It's too HAAAARRRRRD."
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No. It's too expensive. It takes the money to do it. I don't have that money. Why are you having a hard time with this? I have $3 in the bank. Do you think I can move with that? If I don't pay any bills I may be able to save up enough to move after a year or so, but then I'm also apt to find myself in court for not paying bills.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4636 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:14:56 AM
patchouly-"I can't afford to move. It costs thousands of dollars."

It's too HAAAARRRRRD.

There was a time I moved at the beginning of the month whether I wanted to or not.

There was a time I left my wife and kids at home while I traveled far to work for better pay and find a place for them.

Life's not easy. And it doesn't rely on 'luck'.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4597 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:13:43 AM
Same amount of work. Same strategies. Different luck with the end results.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4597 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:13:00 AM
Not a difference at all, MeGrendel.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4597 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:12:27 AM
MeGrendel:
"That's what I did when I learned all about graphic design. How was I to know the advent of the computer would put make the old-style lay-out artist job obsolete?

The difference is I didn't sit around waiting for old-style lay-out artwork to come back into popularity.

That's when I changed careers to chemistry."
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That's why I gave up on "robot arms" and learned to program HTML. I started working with a a webdesign company and they went under when a larger company started taking all their business. Maybe that one was my fault as well?

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4636 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:10:10 AM
patchouly-"That's what I did when I learned how to program that stupid robot arm. How was I to know that the company would go under?"

That's what I did when I learned all about graphic design. How was I to know the advent of the computer would put make the old-style lay-out artist job obsolete?

The difference is I didn't sit around waiting for old-style lay-out artwork to come back into popularity.

That's when I changed careers to chemistry.

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1573 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:09:45 AM
Oh brother, the "heartless right wing/republican" dogma of the left. It's an old song. I know every verse of it, every chord change.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4597 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:08:43 AM
HumanAction
"Why can't you start a part-time business on top of your current work? That's how I started."
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I do that. I give guitar lessons on the side. I also run a web design business, own two forums and administrate for a well known magazine's forums. I do what I can to make ends meet. Problem is, nothing ever seems to pan out and I am continuously having to renew my strategy.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4597 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:06:44 AM
MeGrendel:
"Just admit that those jobs are not 1) where you currently live and unwilling to move from and 2) include skills and knowledge you are unwilling to learn."
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I can't afford to move. It costs thousands of dollars. I can't afford to move. How hard is that for you to understand? I can't afford to feed my family properly, how can I afford to move? I didn't say "who will pay..." because I want you to pay. I said "who will pay..." because there is no one to pay for it. I certainly can't and no one else will.


As for the skills. I learn new skills all the time. I've had a bunch of jobs. Pumping gas, working at a retirement home, Programing, computer repair, driving a cab, teaching music at a school, running a business... The list goes on. I have had to retrain so many times I am a true renaissance man in my list of things I can do.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:06:03 AM
@patchouly

Why can't you start a part-time business on top of your current work? That's how I started.

Right after college, I worked full-time (and then some) as a developer. During that time, I started my company as a part-time venture to make extra cash.

It sucked. I worked nonstop. After a year though, it had grown so much that I could quit my full-time job and run the business instead.

Now, certainly there was some luck in play. However, I don't think it was more than an average amount; reason alone tells me that my amount of luck is almost certainly within a few std. dev. of the norm.

Therefore, I have to think that my actions and decisions were the driving force behind my success. Surely luck didn't educate me, nor move me halfway across the country, nor make me start a business, nor make me work all those nights and weekends.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4636 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:01:38 AM
patchouly-"Problem is, they aren't out there."

You keep saying that.

When we point out that they are, in fact, available and even point you to examples, you start bleating "So, will you pay my rent and feed my kid while I go back to school?" ,"Who will pay for the move?" ,"Who will feed my kid?"

Just admit that those jobs are not 1) where you currently live and unwilling to move from and 2) include skills and knowledge you are unwilling to learn.

I know, I know..it's 'Da Rich Guy's fault.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4597 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:00:55 AM
MeGrendel:
"But, educating yourself and training yourself to be proficient in a particular field that you know has opportunity, and then actively pursuing that opportunity and changing fields when theh opportunity runs out is not 'luck'."
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That's what I did when I learned how to program that stupid robot arm. How was I to know that the company would go under? Not luck? Must be my shortcomings? Give me a break.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4636 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:58:51 AM
patchouly-"That's because you were one of the lucky ones."

And you must blame 'luck' for your own shortfallings.

This does not make it true.

patchouly-"It's like winning the lottery and then telling everyone that you bought the ticket because of a skill that no one else has."

Winning the lottery is luck. I believe in luck and play the lottery.

But, educating yourself and training yourself to be proficient in a particular field that you know has opportunity, and then actively pursuing that opportunity and changing fields when theh opportunity runs out is not 'luck'.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4597 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:57:37 AM
HumanAction:
"Really, I'm just looking for an admission that your actions and decisions are partially responsible for your situation."
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Of course. The choices one makes leads them to the end result. I made the best choices I could with what was available. Some of those choices ended in a dead end job. But that is sometimes only obvious in hindsight.

For example. I took a job driving a cab because I had bills to pay and teaching wasn't cutting it. I gave up one dead end job to move into another. No way to push forward. No way to "create new jobs". Just a way to make more money then I am now. If I ever get the opportunity to apply for a job with the possibility for advancements, I'll take it in a heart beat. Problem is, they aren't out there.


HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:51:46 AM
@patchouly

On top of work I also have to raise a kid.

I'm confused. Is this due to luck or rich people?

Really, I'm just looking for an admission that your actions and decisions are partially responsible for your situation.

JadesDitoyr
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 498 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:45:58 AM
@patchouly
My family ran a Conservative Radio Network for 30 years before the market was glutted by the big names, so civil discourse was part of my training growing up.

Yeah, my family went from owning a multimillion dollar network to scraping by when CNN, FOX, CBS, and NBC remembered that radio news is a thing. We understand financial hardships, but we do what we must because we can.

But the thing to remember is that for every yelling republican there is a yelling democrat.

One interesting thing to note is that about a month ago, I posted three videos about MW, one in favor of, one against, and one about the morality behind it. All three were rated a 1.9 after a day. Why is this one a 3.0?

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4597 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:44:23 AM
DuckBoy87, I don't have "free time". On top of work I also have to raise a kid.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:40:08 AM
@patchouly

Not at all. I think you need to reread.

OK, so I've reread your posts and here is what I've found.

1. You are not responsible for your current circumstances.
2. Lack of sufficient luck is partially responsible for your current circumstances.
3. Some "rich people" who you refuse to name are partially responsible for your current circumstances.
4. In the past, greed was not at a sufficient level to be a major problem; today, it is at that level. You cannot identify the point in time in which that threshold was broken. Furthermore, you cannot identify the threshold since greed is immeasurable.
5. Your high level of intelligence and skill have not been very useful in advancing your circumstances.

How's that?
Sounds about right?

DuckBoy87
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2681 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:38:25 AM
@patchouly, seriously?

Just take the plunge and get on welfare until you can learn some MARKETABLE skills. Or is your epeen so small that you have a complex where you can't ask for help?

Or, you said you know how to program, with that 4 hours that you aren't doing much (12 hours of work, 8 for sleep), start your own project, and find a buyer. Now, this project has to be MARKETABLE. Might I suggest a simple, yet intuitive, video game?
Using C++, you can easily make, and sell, a game on Steam. Check out "VVVVVV". It was completely coded in C++ (a very simple language to learn, if you don't know it already).
Then learn some Java, and sell it on Android.
Convert the C++ code to Objective C, and sell it on Apple.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4597 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:36:22 AM
@JadesDitoyr,
Thanks for being the civil one. If more Republicans were like you, it would be much easier to have debates about this stuff. The other nimrods are so brainwashed all they can do is point fingers and blame. (Sort of like the guy at the top of the pile in my original cartoon post)...

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4597 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:34:24 AM
MeGrendel:
"I tend to have very little patience with fools who blame 'luck'."
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That's because you were one of the lucky ones. It's easy to say that when it happened to you. It's like winning the lottery and then telling everyone that you bought the ticket because of a skill that no one else has. It's specious reasoning.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4597 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:32:38 AM
@JadesDitoyr,
Maybe right. Sad that it has come to this. As I said though. My fear is that it's going to continue to get worse. We are seeing an erasure of the middle class. Not long and it will be the rich and the poor. Then guys like MeGrendel will be complaining about making crap money like the rest of us.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4597 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:30:33 AM
@HumanAction,
Not at all. I think you need to reread.

JadesDitoyr
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 498 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:29:44 AM
@MeGrendel
Oh, I'm not saying that you came by your education through luck or that you were able to adapt through luck.

I'm saying that luck did play a part in you being in the right place at the right time with the right education and mindset.

JadesDitoyr
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 498 Posts
Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:26:23 AM
@patchouly
Social triage. Sacrificing the many to save the few. I don't want to phrase it that way, but that's what I'm seeing.

Nah, I love phrasing it that way.

But, that is what you're suggesting. A lot of kids are hungry now, so we're going to ensure that a few don't starve. Taking food out of the mouths of some to feed the others.

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