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People On Welfare [Pic]

Hits: 10564 | Rating: (3.3) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: gingernut333
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PopCap
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 610 Posts
Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:06:46 AM
"It's not my job to figure out whether they are genuine or not."

Indeed it is. This attitude is one of the major contributors to the ineffectiveness of American charity. Throwing away resources to thieves and liars is worse than not giving at all because it creates an "industry" for unethical behavior, thus increasing crime in an environment. There are times when shotgun charity works, such as disaster relief, but it never works with homeless and poor.

Thonious
Male, 40-49, Western US
 952 Posts
Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:51:33 AM
Doesn't anybody save money these days? When you are doing well and living large, before you buy your new iPad, accumulate some savings so you can get through a few years of bad times.

It's not a matter of being irresponsible being broke and having nice things. It's a matter of being irresponsible back when you were not broke and spent too much so you couldn't weather the storm.

cclownn
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 24 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 8:56:50 PM
Im on foodstamps, and homeless. Im going into Job Corps do to lack of housing, and lack of jobs. I have a decent laptop that cost 600$ when I got it four years ago, and an Ipod that cost around $500 when I got it. I was doing well when I bought these things, but now together I'd be lucky to get $200. I already sold both my PS3 and Xbox360. I use my Ipod for free texting, and my laptop for job apps. They are worth more to me, then $200. and if I sold them that $200 would last me maybe a week, while my Laptop and Ipod have so far lasted years. If I had no food stamps, and it came down to it, I would sell them like I have my Xbox and PS4 no big deal.

Xprez
Male, 30-39, Western US
 676 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 8:22:22 PM
I grew up really poor, holes in my clothes, wearing flip-flops to school. I remember my mom using a door for a table. She stayed out til 2-3am saying she was "at the coffe shop."
I did have a few nice things but no one questioned me on them.
I've eaten some things I don't even want to repeat. I never judge the poor and will try to help even I see a pan handler. It's not my job to
figure out whether they are genuine or not.
I do like how people associate conservatives with this, when that OP's name was thegodlessatheist.
Most conservatives are Christians. But hey, who cares about facts?

WhoSaidWhat
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 198 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 6:48:26 PM
It all depends on the situation. There are people around here with cars with around $10,000 worth of wheels and tires on them, not to mention thousands of dollars worth of stereo equipment in them, living in a falling-apart house, with five kids, all going hungry because they are illegally converting their food stamps to money to spend on their car. My brother was talking to one of these guys a few months ago. The guy was complaining about how he couldn't afford his power bill, and my brother asked, "why don't you sell that ridiculous car, buy something practical, and use the rest of the money to pay bills?" The guy's reply? "I'm not going to have a car that's not nicer than my house!" That kind of mentality is the sort of thing that causes people to look at those who are on welfare, and have nice things, in a bad light. Of course, as with everything, there are always exceptions.

Wundt
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 375 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 3:25:09 PM
I half agree with the initial statement. I am reminded of a panhandler I saw with a bluetooth in his ear. Or, an acquaintance who had his power turned off because he spent all his money on beer and pot. So, yeah, if you are welfare and have an Iphone, it is hard for me to be sympathetic.

That said, when I waere poor and we were on food stamps, I used to still find a way to over-indulge my kids at Christmas and we went on a Florida vacation. I am sure that some people would say we should have made better financial choices.

Phosphoreign
Male, 30-39, Western US
 297 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 3:10:58 PM
To play the devil's advocate (you can flame me all day long, I'm just presenting an alternate view)... I always remembered the old story of the poor husband and his wife. Each wanted to get the other a nice christmas present, but they were too poor to afford anything. The only things they had were the wife's long, beautiful hair, and the husband had a gold watch with no watch chain that his father had given him... secretly, he sold the watch to buy his wife a gold comb for her hair... his wife sold all of her hair to buy him a beautiful gold watch chain. I guess the point I'm trying to make is, if I get hungry enough, I don't really care where the iPad came from... I'm selling it and buying a sandwich.

Oystah
Female, 40-49, Eastern US
 3902 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 1:44:06 PM
I honestly don't know much about welfare, but I think you really have to hate the game, not the players. Some people use it like it should be used, some don't.

Ogen
Male, 18-29, Western US
 445 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 12:25:23 PM
*I meant to say that clearly these stories are not far fetched.

I don't see how there is any question that these stories are* true.

Ogen
Male, 18-29, Western US
 445 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 12:24:04 PM
Umm... I don't see how there is any question that these stories aren't true. I have an iPhone, but guess what, I got it when I had a job with decent hours and I have a great deal set up with my phone company so my phone bill is only 50 dollars a month.

After 5 months of looking for a new job, I work 15 hours a week now and can afford a minor amount of food after rent, bills, and paying back my roommates who covered my rent for those months where my savings ran out.

I'm not on welfare or foodstamps, but I am in the "poor" area, for America.

The funny thing about this though is that we have the technology to provide free food, energy, water, and shelter to the entire world population. We are just ignoring the technologies that would allow us to do it because that sort of thing isn't profitable.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 12:07:49 PM
I don't think anyone would argue against the notion that the system needs to be fixed. It's the hurtful ways the right wing wants to change it that liberals have issues with. NOBODY wants able-bodied people avoiding work to live off our taxes. NOBODY. If we could get smart, reasonable, honest, cooperative people in office who really want to do the right thing for the greater good this would get fixed, but we never do.

nikkypickles
Female, 30-39, Europe
 185 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 11:46:46 AM
I think there is a lot of hurt involved in the reply - justified hurt - but what the OP should probably have had a beef about is when people on benefits/welfare FLAUNT their purchases bought with said welfare. Example case a few years ago a single mother who has never worked a day in her life, just popping out child after child to keep the benefit money rolling in, bought them very little, but ensured that she had the latest designer handbags etc. Flip side of the coin, a couple who both lost their jobs actually SOLD a good amount of their (fully paid for while they were employed) nice gadgets and stuff to ensure their child could still have a modest Xmas and new school clothes. The system needs to be fixed.

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 579 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 11:36:53 AM
I think there's a lot of overreaction here. I, like many others, have a problem only with those that can but won't. While I don't have a problem with the idea of public being used to help those in need, it is clear the system ripe for corruption and greed. Clearly many use this for political gain. And no, I don't have any great answers, but I do see that our current systems seem to be ever expanding and will one day come crashing down under it's own weight.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3651 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 10:57:21 AM
"Weather these stories are true or not, there is plenty to be learned from them."

Lol.


...


Bull.

BetterBob
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 169 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 10:39:43 AM
TLDR

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 10:39:42 AM
Man, all these anecdotal emotional pleas are making my heart hurt.

@patchouli

Can you please provide me the passage in the Bible where it instructs Christians to take money from some, by way of sword, and give it to others. I'm not religious, but I've read it cover to cover (wrote a critique in college) and cannot for the life of me recall that passage. All I seem to remember are passages about giving ones own money to the poor.

Seriously though, enough with the anecdotes people. We get it - some people cheat and some people really need the money. Neither of those things guarantee that welfare is good or bad.

Ozmose
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 441 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 10:13:55 AM
Does anybody realize that people often have nice things BEFORE they end up on welfare. Just because you lose your job, your position don't vanish out of the ******* blue. What happens when you end up out of work 1 year into your 2 year cell phone contract? You continue either continue paying for it, or get slammed with a $350 early cancelation fee.
I forgot though, there is no grey area in idiot, right-wing, Fox News world, only black and white. Life is complicated, if it wasn't, poverty wouldn't exist.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3732 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 9:58:53 AM
"Besides, iphones are already free courtesy of uncle sam."

You fell for that one too hahaha! C'mon man, I thought you were smarter than that.

FAQ from Assurance Wireless
(one of the Lifeline Cell Phone providers)

Tacosnak
Male, 30-39, Western US
 55 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 9:56:41 AM
Yesterday I saw a woman buy 10 x 12 packs of Coca-Cola products. They paid for it with EBT. Also, the CRV was paid for by taxpayers. Technically we just got taxed for someone else buying soda.

Incentive to recycle? Not when you don't pay for it. Or free money?

jpwhitfo
Male, 40-49, Western US
 155 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 9:52:44 AM
@Stormith - Looks like you read the post, but didn't really understand. Weather these stories are true or not, there is plenty to be learned from them. I agree that there are many who abuse the system, I have people in my family who do. I also see where there is need. The welfare system in the US is very imperfect, and may need adjustment, but it is necessary.

Stormith
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 543 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 9:04:22 AM
Everybody trots out their little "boo hoo" sob stories, acting like their situation is so special. Yeah sure kids need toys, but does any drating kid need 300 my little pony dolls? No. And if you're poor and you'd rather have a nintendo DS than proper clothes, you are a drating idiot. Note that all of these stories are about "when they were kids", meaning that they didn't actually have to think about money. They weren't budgeting or trying to buy groceries, they were kids who wanted some new toy or some crap. Yeah sure you deserve toys but there's a line, if the government is the one giving you the money and you choose to buy toys instead of actual shoes or clothing, you are a complete idiot.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 9:01:07 AM
"Get a job"

Referring to many of the ranting conservatives on IAB?

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 8:56:38 AM
"Besides, iphones are already free courtesy of uncle sam. "

You can't get a free iPhone/Android/Blackberry on this program. There's no need to do the typical right wing lying.

sutra46
Female, 40-49, Asia
 2482 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 7:53:30 AM
I have been in a situation where I had latest in technology, the seasons designer clothes, paid club memberships, diamonds on me (all paid for my me) and had less than 100bucks in my bank. Life can throw some curve balls at you.
I got out of it, on my own. Sure could not have done it without out my phone, laptop, nice clothes and network of people that I could keep in touch with.
Giving food stamps is the least government can do. All the people who need assistance should be provided with phone, net connection, clothing allowance and mandatory classes for money management. (Or atleast rent the other stuff out at low charges)

Pinkminx22
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 1023 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 7:45:46 AM
We can't assume that every single person that is on welfare is abusing the system just because they have a couple of nice possessions...We can't stereotype every single person on welfare as a welfare abuser, because we don't know their situation. We don't know what goes on behind someone else's closed doors. You will never know the day you will lose your job and everything that was tied to it.. Nothing is promised for tomorrow..,'

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