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Science Can Prove If There's Life After Death[Pic+

Hits: 6441 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: Science | Added by: drawman61
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Nickel2
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4415 Posts
Tuesday, November 19, 2013 1:20:42 AM
'otherwise what is the drating point?'
Bad and good news baby, this is the afterlife. You are experiencing it right now; you are in it. What happens to you in this 'afterlife' is dependent upon what you did in your previous life. This also applies to your next life.
(I'm sure someone somewhere has based a religion on this hypothesis)

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4969 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 4:25:16 PM
"Is that really better, even if it's true?"
It's a cosmic ant farm.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11279 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 1:45:04 PM
I really hope there is an afterlife...otherwise what is the drating point?


All that does is delay the question - it then becomes "what's the point of the afterlife?" So even if there is an afterlife, it's not the answer to your question.

In order to make an afterlife the answer, you have to add in a scoring system and rewards and punishments, i.e. someone more powerful who creates a point and imposes it on you by force. Is that really better, even if it's true? It still isn't really a point as such.

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4969 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 1:42:03 PM
"otherwise what is the drating point?"
It only has whatever point you give to it.

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 574 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 1:15:07 PM
I guess I don't understand the experiment. How do they know what happened in the "unperceived" part of the test unless the actually perceived it? While as a Catholic I absolutely believe in a next life, I do find this a bit suspect; better keep working on that theory, sir.

McThstlpnts
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 1494 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 11:53:30 AM
I really hope there is an afterlife...otherwise what is the drating point?

keith2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2551 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 10:08:17 AM
Was a fun book to read, I enjoyed it. Can't remember a damn thing in it though.

Wundt
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 354 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 5:55:08 AM
People who believe such crap make the mistake of thinking any statement from the 'scientist' means the findings are based on 'science'. It is the same crap we hear from Creationists and other kooks all the time. When you actually look at the claims, the so-called scientists either got their degree from an non-accredited university (usually little more than a diploma mill) or their degree is in a different domain (i.e. a computer scientist isn't qualified to speak about biology just because he is a scientist).

Scanning the article, I don't see any actual scientific research. I see a lot of speculation and philosophy, nothing more. This isn't science. Stop calling things science when they aren't science.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3455 Posts
Monday, November 18, 2013 12:00:37 AM

On a side note...I can prove that YOUR god is a pussy.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3455 Posts
Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:59:05 PM

science can NOT PROVE there is not an afterlife. Science cannot prove there is no god.

It CAN DEFINITELY prove that the bible and ALL MAJOR RELIGIONS ARE S#IT.


madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5418 Posts
Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:32:03 PM
Sadly 5cats- I do philosophy ( if only to a low level) and this is just hot air- it assumes that because all experience is subjective that there is no objective reality to be had. Which is bollocks.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 11876 Posts
Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:10:25 PM
This is a like a psuedo-science stew. If I had another palm, I'd run out of forehead.

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10208 Posts
Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:07:22 PM
Thats ok then, I will hopefully become a star
or if not a moon...

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4969 Posts
Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:39:26 PM
Logic: "Phil, you mean: 'The universe exists because I am here to observe it.' That's bullsh*t. If we exist, we're a byproduct of the universe."
Sci: "Wait, Dad! You said 'if we exist?'"
Logic: "'I think therefore, I am' only proves your mind exists. 'I am therefore, I think' proves your mind is operational. It may exist without the material perceived as 'yourself.'"
Phil: "...This is MY son, Niles. What do you think, Niles?"
Nihilist: "Since there is no way to prove it, no one exists."
Sci: "Go back to the basement and smoke some more, Junior."
Phil: "What did you say?"
Sci: "I said: 'I'm going to run some tests.' Come on, Dad."
Logic: "Say, Sci: If matter has an antithesis, doesn't that mean there's also anti-time?"
Sci: "Where the f*ck did that come from?"
Logic: "I had a toke of that spliff Niles rolled. Sorry..."

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Sunday, November 17, 2013 5:23:09 PM
Oh. So if you redefine the universe, so that it's just a figment of conscious minds, then death is just a figment as well?.. Well, howdy-doo.. And how are we supposed to find out if he's right ?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24435 Posts
Sunday, November 17, 2013 4:41:25 PM
Allow me to make the introductions:
Science? Meet Philosophy. Philosophy? Meet Science...

Phil: How DO you do?
Sci: How do you DO?
Phil: I think, therefor I am.
Sci: I am, therefor I think.

Hummm...

747Pilot
Male, 18-29, Canada
 928 Posts
Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:44:46 PM
well it's about time! people've been saying there is one forever!

funnehkitteh
Male, 18-29, Europe
 526 Posts
Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:03:40 PM
I have never read..

anything more full of bullpoo

LandoGriffin
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4790 Posts
Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:47:52 PM
It looks to me to be more like the old question "If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a noise?", just expanded to be the entire universe.


Yes, Angilion is right (as usual!) but there is an answer if you think scientifically. What do you mean when you say "noise?" If a tree falls in the forest, it produces a sound wave with frequency and amplitude. That exists whether you are there to perceive it or not. But it is not loud or quiet, it has no pitch, because those are your perceptions.

The universe exists independently of us, but it does not exist in the form that we perceive. We perceive pitch and color, not the frequency and wavelength that objectively exist.

My point is, that is pretty simple stuff that any contemporary scientist or philosopher would know.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11279 Posts
Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:34:59 PM
Ageed, that struck me as a bad analogy. But he was going for the popular press.


I agree that it's a bad analogy chosen to be easily understood by a wide audience, but I think that LandoGriffin's counter-argument to that analogy shows is a general counter-argument against the entire idea, specifically that there is a difference between reality and our perception of reality. Our perception of reality depends on our perceptions, but that does not mean that reality depends on our perceptions.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11279 Posts
Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:31:01 PM
Bugger- I was hoping someone could tell ME what he says... a lot of hot air from the sound of it.


It's not really science. Science may have an answer to this question at some point, but not now.

What he has are some speculative hypotheses that are untestable and non-falsifiable - it's really philosophy rather than science. Interesting. Possibly true to an unknown extent in some ways. But not science.

It looks to me to be more like the old question "If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a noise?", just expanded to be the entire universe.


LandoGriffin
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4790 Posts
Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:28:20 PM
@ LordJim - that's exactly what he is saying. And, yes, how egotistical. Nothing exists if I am not consciously aware of it...So when my dog responds to a 20 kHz tone that I can't hear, does the 20 kHz tone actually exist if I don't have a dog nearby to detect it? If you answered "no" then you, too, can be a biocentrist!

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4351 Posts
Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:12:15 PM
LandoGriffin,

Ageed, that struck me as a bad analogy. But he was going for the popular press. I'm not sold on his argument but a quick google shows that he has some smarts.

However, a biocentric universe seems to be suspiciously self-flattering. The universe is immense only because I peceive it to be so. In fact, it exists only because I, as a biological entity, exist and can be aware of existence.

Or is that not what he is saying? I don't think I agree with what I think he is saying, but I think it is interesting.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5418 Posts
Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:34:23 PM
Bugger- I was hoping someone could tell ME what he says... a lot of hot air from the sound of it.

LandoGriffin
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4790 Posts
Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:31:42 PM
TL;DR version: The universe exists independently of our perceptions of it. You perceive "blue" but the 480 nanometer wavelength exists regardless of your ability to detect it or not. However, the 480 nanometer wavelength is not "blue" that is your perception of it. IT STILL EXISTS even if you are not there to perceive it!

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