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Young Avoid New Health Plans [Pic+]

Hits: 5116 | Rating: (2.1) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: richanddead
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llaa
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1118 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:40:00 PM
@Richanddead

Glad to see that you got clarification with the author. I dont think there is anything to say yet about it failing or not until after April next year. I said it was scare tactics since the sources are private insurance companies operating within pro-corporate governance states. I probably wouldnt of called out facist as much 30-40 years ago, but I still would call them out as I see them.

I have rheumatoid arthritis, its difficult for me to type and spell correctly all the time. I've spelled fascist correctly a few other times. I lost my health insurance coverage when my expenses became over a grand a month and Ive experience some loss of motion and a continual painful physical condition (which makes it difficult to hold a job) since I have not been able to receive the care I used to afford. I see nothing wrong with having the ability to see a doctor before an unknown illness causes permanent damage. Medicare for all, let those pvt. insurers go brok

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2077 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:36:39 PM
"Young people might not get the same diseases as older people as often but they take part in risky activities older people usually don't."

True, but by and large the young do not require as much to be spent on their healthcare as the old. Thats why Obamacare is using them to subsidies the old. Healthcare cost far more for older people than younger people, I don't think anyone is disputing that fact. So forcing the young to pay steep costs for things that aren't even medically possible just to subsidies the old is not only unfair, it is impractical given incentive of the fine vs. the high priced insurance.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2077 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:31:04 PM
@lauriloo: "Having health insurance hurts people? News to me."

No, fines and grossly overpriced health insurance hurt people.

"Actually, that's exactly what happens when someone without health insurance gets treated anyway and the hospital makes the rest of us pay for it."

You're paying for it anyways in your premiums at least the other way the individual who had no coverage had to repay the costs down the road. You not saving any money one way or another, the same people who have to go to the hospital still go to the hospital it just their costs are being subsidized in a different way.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:26:59 PM
"Young people are healthy"

Yeah, right. My nephew-in-law just went to the ER because he gashed his wrist on a piece of metal under a dashboard he was working on as a mechanic. But people in their 20s NEVER need healthcare, right? Young people might not get the same diseases as older people as often but they take part in risky activities older people usually don't.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2077 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:24:01 PM
Actually, in a 2004 study of the bias leaning of all media sources the WSJ actually came in more liberal than NPR, OR the NYT. Here it is if you'd like to read it. link

Also I wrote Mr. Christopher Weaver, the one who wrote the article. He told me that the data they were given was from the very end of October of this year, he said they tried to get information from other states engaged in the governments plan but

"The federal government has declined to release figures for the 36 states that it oversees, and an number of states that are running their own exchanges have not yet been able to transmit data to insurers; thus, even insurers in those markets do not know. --Chris"

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2077 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:23:50 PM
And to your statement "corporatist/facist states reporting to a facist newspaper."

Firstly, it is spelled "fascist" not facist, but that is besides the point. Despite your own political leanings, these people have never endorsed anything fascist. The article also mention Ohio as having the same problems, Sherrod Brown is their senator, and he is a democrat, is he also a fascist in your eyes? I can also tell you here in Maryland the baltimore sun has reported on the same issue, saying that 2/3's individual people who have visited the site, not even been able to enroll just even going to the site were old. Other than California we are as liberal a state as they come, are we a fascist state?.

And to say the WSJ is a fascist newspaper when it has won 34 Pulitzers, has frequently criticized both parties, and is the largest and most read newspaper out there is pretty laughable to say the least.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2077 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:23:26 PM
@llaa: yea, i hate the 1000 word cap too.

"Its bs info from private insurers"

I'd like you to site where you found that this was BS info. These Insurance companies are going to make money one way or the other. They have no incentive to lie firstly. Secondly, if they did it would be quickly reacted to by a government official, another insurance agency, a ACA contractor, the CMS, or anyone else who is able to currently view the numbers, it was on the front page and the top story. I just don't know how you're able to just discount it as BS without siting anything that states that this info is false. Is it BS because you disagree with it?




lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:22:32 PM
"Oh, you were talking about not paying for a product and stealing it. Yeah, not at all what I was talking about."

Actually, that's exactly what happens when someone without health insurance gets treated anyway and the hospital makes the rest of us pay for it.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:17:50 PM
"Young people are healthy"

Yeah, right. My nephew-in-law just went to the ER because he gashed his wrist on a piece of metal under a dashboard he was working on as a mechanic. But people in their 20s NEVER need healthcare, right?

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:15:51 PM
"Exactly! As long as you threaten to hurt them enough, they'll do exactly what you want."

Having health insurance hurts people? News to me.

llaa
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1118 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:02:13 PM
I dont mean to sound like a prick, but we all will get sick and die. But maybe we could just get sick and get better and not die before we got to do what we wanted with our lives.

JadesDitoyr
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 555 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:01:47 PM
@llaa
Oh, you were talking about not paying for a product and stealing it. Yeah, not at all what I was talking about.

JadesDitoyr
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 555 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:00:21 PM
@llaa

I think of all those poor people who buy Apple and have to write a check out to Microsoft and weep for... wait... I don't actually think that is happening. (If it is, I just might owe somebody a lot of money...)

Further, you need liability insurance to drive a car, not own it.

Here's the deal, you want us to accept the bugs and the kinks in a federally mandated system because we do so for a company that we voluntarily do business with.

If I dislike Apple's (or Microsoft's) product/interface/what have you, I am not obligated to purchase/engage in it. With ACA, I do not have the choice, so my tolerance of bugs and kinks is much lower.

llaa
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1118 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:59:56 PM
HumanAction:
The questions was, "Name one software company that forces me to either buy their product or pay them a fine for Not Buying their product".

You ever hear about a business or school getting caught using windows without buying it? The fines do run in the millions depending how many many copies are using without purchasing.

Fascism = Corporatism per Mussolini. Paul Walker is governor of a gerrymanding state this is electing officials that will protect corporate/Koch interests by decimating public and private unions by enacting laws that repelling protectionist worker rights laws. After all fascism differs from liberalism by its protection of business and landowning elites and its preservation of class systems.

Sorry to hear you lost your useless insurance. If you actually needed to use it, you would be really sad to find out what your care really costs. So were you paying 30 bucks a month and now have to spend 90 bucks?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:38:29 PM
@llaa

How am I wrong in my assessment that they are run by fascists?

You presented the claim; therefore, the burden of proof is yours. You are responsible for proving that the states are run by fascists - not the other way around.

Microsoft Windows.

You got fined for not buying Windows? Holy sh*t, dude, you got taken for a ride. You should call the police.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:36:01 PM
@llaa

Wisconsin: Paul Walker - Friend of the Kochs is the governor.

Wisconsin is hardly a corporatist/fascist state. Scott* Walker (Paul Walker is an actor) is the governor, yet, what has he done that you believe is corporatist/fascist? On the other hand, the last senator elected is a lesbian Democrat and Wisconsin happens to be the birthplace of the public union. Having a Republican governor does not make a state fascist.

As a side note, the price of my HDHP is now 300% of its cost last year. An HDHP is now more than half the cost of an HMO.

llaa
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1118 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:32:22 PM
Microsoft Windows. Or the further stretch the answer to your stretch of a question could be owning a car with an engine cpu therefore forcing you to buy car insurance or you could face possible forfeiture of your car.

Can you answer my question?

JadesDitoyr
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 555 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:18:12 PM
@Ilaa
Name one software company that forces me to either buy their product or pay them a fine for not buying their product?

llaa
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1118 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:16:04 PM
5cats: You assume way too much. Take a breather there...

<..in 3 stupid Corporatist states...>

Wisconsin: Paul Walker - Friend of the Kochs is the governor.

Kentucky: home of Mitch McConnel

Conneticut: Home to Many Many Rich WASPs that run wall street.

How am I wrong in my assessment that they are run by fascists?

llaa
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1118 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:12:31 PM
Name one software development that had no bugs on initial release.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26276 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:10:47 PM
@llaa: I know very well what you said and what your article tries to say, but you're just... wrong!

IF by April? Lots of young folks DON'T sign up? THAT will be a problem!
>Who says this? HHS!
Right now? It LOOKS LIKE older, sicker folks are signing up FASTER than young healthy folks.
>Who says this? HHS!

So unless you have a problem with Obama, the White House and HHS? It's NOT a "scare tactic" it's A FACT!

Oh yeah! @richanddead explained it also

..in 3 stupid Corporatist states...

This ALONE makes you an abject idiot, you know that? It's OBAMA'S ACA! A Federal TAX! The states are just IMPLIMENTING IT.


llaa
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1118 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:09:38 PM
richanddead: ugh, its hard to edit in this small box when my response is over 1000 characters!

What I meant to say is,
"This very small sampling of 4,150 Americans could affect the healthcare costs of hundreds of millions of Americans because the over 50 and sick. And young people are not signing up quickly enough to cover the costs."

Its bs info from private insurers servicing corporatist/facist states reporting to a facist newspaper. I've looked at the exchanges in my home state and my platinum insurance for my needs is $500 less per month than what I paid two years ago and with no deductible and lower co-payments with no deductible. I do have experience with these matters: I have worked for private non-profit insurers in NYC for a number of years. Ill wait for more info next year to see if it has issues. I don't see the ACA failing atm other than a website that did not work well on its initial release.

Name one major software develop

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4761 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:27:02 PM
danagamer-"what's the big mystery?"

No mystery, but the numbers about how 'affordable' Obamacare is comes from the fact they were expecting* loads of younger, healthier enrollees to spread the cost around and make them overall cheaper. (the '*' next to expected is because they BASED their numbers on that, but never truly thought it would happen..but it made the numbers more palatable. And let's be clear..the numbers have been BS from day one.)

But, the youngun ain't signing up for two reasons:
1) Now you're classified as a 'kid' until you're 26 and can be on your parents insurance.
2) Many are finding it cheaper to take the penalty.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10317 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 2:58:06 PM
@ieatbunnies

Ditto, you're more likely to get a 4-figure price tag over a 5-figure one going that route.

ieatbunnies
Male, 30-39, Western US
 917 Posts
Thursday, November 07, 2013 2:52:57 PM
I am an individual who doesnt have insurance (dropped by cancelled plans) and wanted to sign up for Obamacares new plans. First, it took numerous attempts to actually get to see plans and then when I did, all the plans were around 175% higher than current plans (of the ones which I could closely match up), and they are all very increased deductibles, while offering little benefit.

I will be happily paying the penalty for not having health insurance, because it would cost me more and I would never use the deductible.

And having looked over the calculation, I could have a compound fracture in my forearm (my latest injury) and it would be cheaper to work a payment plan with the hospital than to have health insurance.

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