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Did Obama And The White House Know? [Pic+]

Hits: 4613 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: 5Cats
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kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 451 Posts
Wednesday, November 06, 2013 5:42:59 AM
@Oldollie, I would say the same to you.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15129 Posts
Sunday, November 03, 2013 9:56:32 PM
kree, your problem is that you believe a whole lot of crap that just isn't true.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 451 Posts
Saturday, November 02, 2013 9:53:57 PM
Ok I've read this report front to back, and I didn't see anything about a 14% cost increase, or a 7450 cost increase. Can you give a page number?

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 451 Posts
Saturday, November 02, 2013 8:55:32 PM
r 5 people. I will agree that premiums went up this year through the workplace, and I will believe that they went up for most employees, however the increase in premiums also correlate to an increase in coverage. At my job there were 2 options available, for 22 or 55 a paycheck. Now there are three options. 25 45 and 65. the 25 option is slightly better than the 22 was, the 45 was slightly worse than the 55, and the 65 slightly better. So to keep the same coverage I would need to step up and either pay 10% more or 20% more depending on my choice. However I could be saving 20% by taking a slightly cheaper option that meets my needs. I'm purchasing the best plan available to me, but not everyone needs to make that choice, and if for whatever reason I find myself out of work, I know I can find an equally valued plan on the marketplace. Did I luck out? yes, but I don't think anyone got screwed, and I have yet to hear a 300% increase story that wasn't a half truth or a misunderstanding.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 451 Posts
Saturday, November 02, 2013 8:44:10 PM
@rich

I will adress your last post first, as it will take some time to read through your first link. Thank you for providing it by the way, at first glance it is informative and an interesting read. As for the second link, the blog you have posted is 2 years old, and as far as I can tell, with a quick glance, inaccurate. Again it will take some time reading the KFF reports before I can accurately discuss that issue.

One of the benefits of the ACA is that insurance providers may no longer charge higher premiums for people with preexisting conditions, they also may not drop coverage for the same. Because of this the segment of the population that most needs healthcare is able to receive it at a affordable rate. When i owned my own company I was paying insurance for five employees, unfortunately I was not as good at running a business as I am at arguing on the internet and it went under. Interestingly, keeping the same coverage for myself would have cost as much as I ha

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2228 Posts
Saturday, November 02, 2013 6:31:42 PM
...u were "insured by my workplace."

The Kaiser Family Foundation and the American Hospital Association's Health Research and Educational Trust found that in their annual Employer Health Benefits Survey Health Insurance Premiums Jumped 8-9% in 2011, a year after Obamacare went into effect. This is an increase from the regular 3-5% recorded in 2010 before the bill took effect.

link

These studies were all done by well respected nonpartisan organisations, I can't see how they'd all have have a change of character, simultaneously start lying at the same time, and also coming to the exact same figures. So if you are one of the few seeing savings, I would think there might be more to the story or you are simply the exception to the case not the majority.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2228 Posts
Saturday, November 02, 2013 6:17:27 PM
Page 15 says that because additional 21 million culminating in 34 million, they will all have a very tough time finding a doctor who will treat them, only enhanced when doctors begin leaving the market. On page 8 of the report it recognises that it creates funding issues meaning hospitals currently serving Medicare patients might be forced to stop doing so. Thus making it much more difficult for seniors to get health care.

These projections are nonpartisan, created by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and accepted by the CBO as the impact Obamacare will have on the vast majority of Americans.


This is the centers for medcare and Mecicaid report


Although the majority of the increases will be in the individual market, I see you mentioned that yo

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2228 Posts
Saturday, November 02, 2013 6:17:05 PM
@kree:
As I said before, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services has published annual projections of national health care spending showing that in 2014, the net cost of health insurance will increase by nearly 14 percent under Obamacare, compared to 3.5 percent without the law. Insurance premiums will rise at a 9.4 percent rate, versus the 5 percent without Obamacare. Thats an 88 percent difference. Federal health care spending will increase by $621,000,000,000 over the next 10 years and the average family of 4 will see their rates increase $7450. In addition people on welfare will increase 21 million meaning that 3/5 of the people who gain health insurance will receive it through welfare.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 451 Posts
Saturday, November 02, 2013 2:32:09 PM
30-300% is bullpoo. That is only valid if they stick with an off market private policy. On the exchange they will find a plan of equal or greater quality for an equal or lower price. For example the guy in the debunking debunking story who couldn't find a plan for less than 900 a month. You put his wife's info into the exchange, assume the worst case possibilities, ie a smoker, not part of a multi person plan, makes too much to get subsidies, etc, and you will find a half dozen plans for under 500.

@5cats, the difference between subsidies and tax cuts is that tax cuts can lower tax to zero, and subsidies can lower tax to negative. For the specifics you refer to, the difference is that these subsidies mostly effect the bottom 60% of earners, while the tax cuts mostly effected the top 13% of earners.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15129 Posts
Saturday, November 02, 2013 2:26:51 PM
But my point stands, the ACA makes health insurance affordable.

No, your point doesn't stand. The VAST majority of people trying to buy insurance through the exchanges are signing up for Medicaid, which is a 100% drain on taxpayers. The ones being subsidized are also a drain on taxpayers to a greater or lesser extent. The rest are people whose policies have been cancelled due to Obamacare regulations are seeing their rates going up by 30-300%.

Obamacare is a total unmitigated disaster. Our only hope is that these f***tards are so incompetent that the program falls apart before it ends up destroying our entire economy. That's why I'm rooting for Sebelius to stay.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 451 Posts
Saturday, November 02, 2013 6:14:02 AM
@OldOllie, actually I'm insured through my workplace, so even if I purchased insurance through the exchange I wouldn't be eligible for subsidies. But my point stands, the ACA makes health insurance affordable. And while it is difficult to get exact details about things like income, I've yet to toss anyone's information into the exchange without finding an affordable price.

RoboPatton
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2429 Posts
Friday, November 01, 2013 9:32:25 PM
"did they know?"

Does the bear poo in the woods?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15129 Posts
Friday, November 01, 2013 8:55:38 PM
@kree Thanks Obama!

Don't thank Obama. Thank all of us poor bastards out here working our asses off the pay the taxes that are supporting your worthless ass.

If you're taking out more than you're putting in, you're a f***ing parasite.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 451 Posts
Friday, November 01, 2013 7:33:54 PM
The last time I tried for private insurance, I could not find a plan for less than 1200 a month.

With the affordable care act, I'm finding great plans for less than 100 a month after subsidies. Thanks Obama!

Xprez
Male, 30-39, Western US
 676 Posts
Friday, November 01, 2013 6:51:26 PM
And idiots still think is the neatest thing since sliced bread.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4864 Posts
Friday, November 01, 2013 1:22:21 PM
You are correct, OldOllie. I would say it's a consensus (and EVERY liberal loves a onsensus....right?)

However, I'm sure that lauriloo or some other idiot will be along shortly to tell us how the fact that Obama is a 'lying sack of dog $#!+.' and also an 'incompetent f***tard' is actually GOOD for us, and he's such a saint for being both those things for our own good.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15129 Posts
Friday, November 01, 2013 11:55:01 AM
After reading all the posts, I'd have to say that the consensus is that Obama is a "lying sack of dog $#!+." However, that does not preclude the possibility that he is also an "incompetent f***tard." The two are not mutually exclusive.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2228 Posts
Friday, November 01, 2013 11:11:07 AM
...spending by $621,000,000,000 over the next 10 years.)

Medicare's Actuary Report 2013

Thats an increase of $7450 for a family of four!!!



richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2228 Posts
Friday, November 01, 2013 10:55:53 AM
Obamacare false promises:

1. "If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."---False

2. This law will lower your premiums!----false
(and immediately corrected by other Democrats like Dick Durbin saying that if you say it will lower premiums it "isn't telling the truth!")

3. Obamacare budget is not double counting --False
(admitted to by Sibelius and Richard S. Foster)

4. "If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period"---false

5. Obamacare will lower Health Care spending--false
(Doug Holtz-Eakin of the CBO, John Goodman of the National Center for Policy Analysis, Jim Capretta of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, Democrats like Jackie Speier, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and several independent studies have all found that ObamaCare will actually increase healthcare spen

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2228 Posts
Friday, November 01, 2013 10:00:53 AM
@Musuko42: Are you trying to equate guns with repealing bad laws? Firstly, Obamacare isn't a 2nd amendment right written in by the founders and secondly you can't make Obamacare in your house with a pipe, a rubber band, a nail, and a bullet.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26662 Posts
Friday, November 01, 2013 9:14:04 AM
Just in time to prove my point:
Senate Democrats Rejected Repub Bill In 2010! The Repubs said "this 'Grandfather rule' in the ACA will lead to cancellations." The Dems said HECK YES it will, that's why it's there!

Following this @lauriloo? The REPUBS TRIED to fix broken bits of ObamaCare in 2010, the DEMS SHOT IT DOWN knowing full well what would happen!

Then Obama, and all his flunkies, continued to lie KNOWING it was a lie!

@Viking864: The subsidies come from the "magical money fairies" !! The same place "free" Obama Phones came from!! It's FREE!!!!
lolz! Of course you're correct: it's TAXES!

Answer me this IAB Liberals: HOW is ObamaCare's subsidies different from "Bush's Tax Cuts"? Both CUT REVENUE, cor

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 579 Posts
Friday, November 01, 2013 8:10:12 AM
IMHO, of course he knew and of course he is lying. It's quite obvious to me they are trying to force European style socialism down our throats and will stop at nothing to get there. They are paving the way to push single-payer. It's about the only transparent thing about this administration.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Friday, November 01, 2013 6:36:02 AM
Your point doesn't make sense to me. What European has repeatedly supported the NRA in the US on here?


Wow just wow!

What other person, other than 5Cats, has repeatedly slammed another country's government, Obama in particular? No other person on here so rabidly hates another country's gov.


ROFL!!! You just described every other European on here!

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3971 Posts
Friday, November 01, 2013 6:31:54 AM
5Cats - It isn't about how much or how long it is an issue. It simply boils down to people don't want to read about it more than once - especially if one of the articles you post is sub-par.

It just makes more sense to post one really good article, as opposed to suggesting several that aren't so good.

At least that is what I am seeing, perhaps that is part of the reason why people dislike your posts so much.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4864 Posts
Friday, November 01, 2013 6:24:40 AM
@Musuko42

The only part of that rambling statement that I agree with is the fact that the President is a tool. (but not usefull one)

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