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Hits: 7300 | Rating: (3.5) | Category: Misc. | Added by: Sweepofdeath
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liabach
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1266 Posts
Sunday, October 20, 2013 3:10:57 PM
So we can steal guns there, sweet.

Mad_Gremlyn
Male, 18-29, Western US
 439 Posts
Sunday, October 20, 2013 1:35:23 PM
LOL! Absolutely brilliant! I'm ordering a dozen. Need some Xmas gifts.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14389 Posts
Saturday, October 19, 2013 11:41:09 PM
There is a BIT of a discrepancy now between military arms and civilian arms.

Right. Back then civilian arms were BETTER than military arms. The standard issue weapon for the military was a musket, while the typical citizen-farmer owned a long rifle which had better than twice the range, twice the accuracy, twice the knock-down power, and twice the rate of fire as a musket. In an open field a group of farmers with rifles could easily take out 4 times their number of soldiers without taking a single casualty.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25716 Posts
Saturday, October 19, 2013 11:07:17 AM
@Mesuko42: One came to the back door and knocked, asking for the 'target' by name. She opened the door to talk to him, and all 4 rushed in.

Criminals have been stealing and gathering guns in Canada for 50+ years, it's "just another black-market item" they deal in. Laws have only made business more lucrative for them!

That's what happened in England after the "Handgun Ban" started: criminals started smuggling and selling illegal guns. Big profit for them!!

@HolyGod: Open your eyes and look at all the armed revolutions of the past 20 years: It's never "expected" is it? Just... POW! Civil war! Uprisings!! Arabic Summer!!!

If 10 years ago you said "3 Arabic nations will overthrow their governments, 5 will 'put down' revolutions with bloody violence, and one will have a civil war costing 100,000+ lives - all at the same time"
???
You'd be laughed out of town!

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 11:13:43 PM
OldOllie

"Well, it's never happened in THIS country. Oh, it did? The hell you say! Well, in that case...never mind."

Yes at a time when the peak of weaponry was a musket and a cannon. There is a BIT of a discrepancy now between military arms and civilian arms.

"Actually, though, when the $#!+ hits the fan"

What $#!+? Revolution?

"Obama's going to be REALLY surprised and disappointed when he finds that out"

There's going to be an armed revolution against Obama? OK your crazy delusional old f.uck. I'll wait for the revolution.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14389 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 11:06:34 PM
I have had people on this site tell me that they need military style weapons in case they ever have to fight the military. Now THAT is some fantasy.

Right, because that's NEVER happened before in history. Oh, wait, what...it has? Well, it's never happened in THIS country. Oh, it did? The hell you say! Well, in that case...never mind.

Actually, though, when the $#!+ hits the fan, the military is going to be on OUR side. (Obama's going to be REALLY surprised and disappointed when he finds that out.)

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11199 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 4:53:31 PM
I always wherever I live put a sign up on the door
'beware of the snakes'

never owned one but by god
no one crosses - gasman, electric guy,
even when I had a fire in my back garage the firemen would not break down my door
due to Health n safety reasons
because of my snake notice

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 3:11:19 PM
@5Cats

- Then I imagine you know the dangers involved with depression better than I do.
- Duly noted
- It is easier to illegally obtain something if it is legal and available around you to find and steal.
- Amen to that.
- Remember my moat of petrol? You might defend against a small risk with a method that ends up exposing you to a greater risk. That's not smart.
- Exactly: guns are a quicker, more effective weapon. That's why they're more dangerous than other less-effective weapons. That's why serious thought should be given towards the sense of having it in the home. See above: potentially protecting against one small threat by exposing yourself to a larger threat.

Swallowing a spider to catch a fly...

- I have a question: how did the intruders get into the home?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25716 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 1:43:04 PM
@Musuko42:
- I've had depression since I was a child.
- Never lived with her, she had her 2 teenage sons at home.
- The punks were under 18 and couldn't LEGALLY own a gun, eh?
- She wished they could find that guy, he was a jerk who cost her a lot of money in the end!
- She was unharmed & the damage was minor, but still? Why take that chance? Why "roll the dice" if it could be prevented?
- Tool of destruction? Car, knife, matches, rope, tall buildings... guns are just quicker and more "guaranteed" than other methods.

- The gangs HAVE lots of guns! But they don't send the 'youths' out with them because that will get them "bumped up" to adult court. They know 'The Law' inside and out: and ALL the loopholes.
Also: they just wanted to find the guy, not murder him. Sending idiot teenagers out with guns wouldn't get their money back if he was dead...

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 12:49:37 PM
@5Cats

Also, if your society was set up to make it easy for your girlfriend to get a gun, then it might also be as easy for those four home invaders to get guns too, either through legal methods (every criminal is a law-abiding citizen when it comes to obtaining guns if they haven't been caught yet), or other means (stealing them from law-abiding citizens).

Your girlfriend would gain no power advantage, as both sides have increased their strength equally. But the capacity for injury or death has increased.

We're only talking about one specific example here, and I'm well aware that there are plenty of scenarios where guns are a benefit to homeowners. But what I'm trying to point out is that it isn't always a simple equation of homeowner + gun = safer homeowner.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 12:44:22 PM
@5Cats

Sorry to hear that your girlfriend went through that. If I might say, however; did she emerge from the incident unhurt?

I know it's impossible to predict if she would have been hurt or not in foresight, but in hindsight, if she wasn't hurt, it's hard to see how the situation could have been improved in any way. It couldn't have turned out better: she emerged unhurt. She couldn't be made more unhurt, after all.

Were you living with her at the time? You confess to having mental issues, depression, etc. Did you have those issues at the time?

Would you have trusted yourself with access to a tool that would allow you to cause quick and easy injury or death to yourself or to your girlfriend whilst you were suffering from mental issues?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25716 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 12:34:04 PM
[quote">It is the best selling rifle in america by far.[/quote">

True: it's very popular! And best selling BRAND of rifle, but it's still a minority of all rifles owned OR sold, correct?

Gun Numbers: USA

WOW! That's a fantastic site! Bookmarking and suggesting it...

86 Million Shotguns owned in the USA vs 5 Million Ar-15. Just clicky-clicky!

I rest my case.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25716 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 12:28:44 PM
@HolyGod: Sorry, this is Canada: 2 of them had knives.

If she had "presented" a gun? Perhaps they would have fled, that's the point.

In the end they broke a few things and, once they figured out their 'target' didn't live there anymore, left.

Sorry I wasn't specific. They were "under 18" because the gangs use "youths" 17 & under for their major crimes on purpose: the Law will go VERY easy on them! Assuming they get caught, which is highly UN-likely.

Once they turn 18? They get a different set of "jobs"...

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 12:27:23 PM
5Cats

"Why do people by expensive cars? Just a bare-bones "Yugo" is all they NEED!"

I'm not saying a shotgun is just bare-bones sufficient. I'm saying it is better than a rifle for home defense.

"Also? Few people actually OWN an AR-15... fyi! There's a "liberal fantasy" for you! "

?

There have been 2 million manufactured in the past decade.

There is an estimated 5 million owned.

It is the best selling rifle in america by far.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 12:16:00 PM
5Cats

"Would a gun have made here safer?..yes"

You really think she would have been better off getting into a shootout with 4 armed people?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25716 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 12:14:23 PM
@HolyGod: Why do people by expensive cars? Just a bare-bones "Yugo" is all they NEED!

But they spend $200K on an Italian job? Why?

BECAUSE IT'S A FREE COUNTRY! That's why!

And they buy a "cool looking gun" because:
#1 It's their choice!
#2 It's VERY effective at scaring criminals away!

That's the reason to own a gun: to SCARE CROOKS AWAY! Not to shoot them. Just like the alarm on my house or car cannot PREVENT crime, but offers a warning or when it occurs...

Also? Few people actually OWN an AR-15... fyi! There's a "liberal fantasy" for you!



Or Joe Biden will tell you what kind of gun you're "allowed to own" eh?


5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25716 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 12:05:40 PM
@Musuko42: My home was broken into & things stolen.

Years ago? my girlfriend's house was "home invaded" by 4 armed "youths" who were looking for a teen who'd been renting a room there a few months before. (drug debt, last know address)

Would a gun have made here safer? Would a gun have protected my house while I was at work? Yes and no.

It DOES HAPPEN. Just like having a FIRE EXTINGUISHER handy is a good idea, eh? Home, car, garage, workplace...

FYI: "accidental shootings" are a TINY number in the USA...

I think @Musuko42 watched "Taxi Driver" and thought it was a documentary...

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 11:07:43 AM
@HolyGod

"I have had people on this site tell me that they need military style weapons in case they ever have to fight the military. Now THAT is some fantasy."

*chuckles* Yeah, and an even more unrealistic one.

Unless Joe Average has a few tanks and fighter jets in their back garden, they're not going to accomplish diddly squat in a revolution attempt against the US military.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 10:47:15 AM
Musuko

"People like to fantasise..."

For sure. People don't own AR15s because it is the best way to defend yourself from home invasion. The best way to defend yourself from home invasion is a shotgun.

They own an AR15 in case of revolution against the government, or invading forces, or zombie Apocalypse.

I have had people on this site tell me that they need military style weapons in case they ever have to fight the military. Now THAT is some fantasy.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 10:11:45 AM
@normalfreak2

"Careful now guys, those facts can't be taken seriously over my gut feeling on the issue!"

*chuckles* Yeah, I think that's a big part of the problem. Plus, nobody is able to pose and quote in front of a mirror and fantasise about being a badass hero when they're armed with locks, alarms, and well-run local law enforcement, rather than a big masculine gun.

People like to fantasise...and then they go and use those fantasies to bring something into their homes that, according to the numbers below, makes them and their families less safe, rather than more safe. That's the scary part.

Stormith
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 543 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 10:03:23 AM
I mean, my feelings change depending on whether or not that's an actual target with bullet holes in it or if it's just a printed image of it

normalfreak2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1860 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 8:06:23 AM
Careful now guys, those facts can't be taken seriously over my gut feeling on the issue!

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 5:53:28 AM
@Cajun247

"Doesn't justify the madness of gun control."

I didn't say it did.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10273 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 5:20:20 AM
People are subjecting themselves to something with GREATER risk to defend themselves against something with LESSER risk. This is madness.


Doesn't justify the madness of gun control.

Nickel2
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4618 Posts
Friday, October 18, 2013 4:26:52 AM
May be nothing worth dying for inside; hash-crop available outside.


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