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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4955 Posts
Monday, October 14, 2013 1:46:29 AM
5Cats

"NAME IT! Name this "healthcare" you speak of."

Dips.hit. He openly admits it. He is on medicare. Read.


5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24377 Posts
Monday, October 14, 2013 12:46:06 AM
He IS on government provided healthcare.


NAME IT! Name this "healthcare" you speak of.

You lie! Plain and simple. Case closed.

DEFAMATION: You are DOING IT.

Everyone on this site that pays attention knows that crakr is a hypocritical chicken hawk that pisses and moans...


If I said that about "your mama"? You'd be just fine with it? We all know she's a whore who pisses and moans for money, just like her son!

YOUR OWN DEFENCE proves my point? = Win!

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4955 Posts
Sunday, October 13, 2013 12:40:49 PM
5Cats

"You've been asked politely to STOP slandering."

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

SLANDER: oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed.

1. I'm not orating. In text it is "libel" not "slander".

2. It isn't an "untruth". He IS on government provided healthcare.

3. My statement doesn't "harm the reputation" of him. Everyone on this site that pays attention knows that crakr is a hypocritical chicken hawk that pisses and moans about government assistance and government healthcare while he voluntarily lives off of both.

Only you could use a word that is technically wrong in 3 different ways. You take saying incorrect things to a f.ucking ART FORM.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24377 Posts
Sunday, October 13, 2013 10:10:30 AM
You are not being forced to do it.


How about this @HolyGod: You've been asked politely to STOP slandering. So? DO IT! Just stop! Respect the wishes of others! DO WHAT YOU YOURSELF HAVE ASKED OTHERS TO DO.

Make sense yet?

You literally have NO IDEA what you're talking about, so STFU already! Literally! In it's proper usage!

Note: Before you try to point the 'hypocrite finger' at me? Consider this:
ME: Am asking that you follow the rules: rules like common decency, morality, IAB Anti-Bullying & etc.
YOU: Wish to CHANGE the rules to STOP others from speaking.

Polar Opposites, OK?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24377 Posts
Sunday, October 13, 2013 10:02:50 AM
HOW? It is still private health insurance. The government has no oversight of daily choices.


@HolyGod: This is a lie: The ACA TELLS COMPANIES what policies it can and cannot have! So it indeed "restricts daily choices". Just ask 800,000 people in New Jersey ALONE who will LOSE THEIR CURRENT POLICIES in January because of ACA regulations...

Your truthfulness seems to have "left the building" dude...

Why are you so convinced that with more people and more money it (medicare) will get destroyed?


Because the BACKBONE of ObamaCare is cutting hundreds of millions OUT of medi-care/cade? THAT reason?

In theory? These folks will suddenly get AFFORDABLE insurance and go off the programs voluntarily? Also: flying pigs! Making insurance "affordable" is NOWHERE in the ACA... except 'lip service' of course.

liabach
Male, 40-49, Western US
 831 Posts
Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:44:42 AM
what, you want to escalate this ticket to the level 3 techs?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4955 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 5:50:18 PM
Crakr

"I'm not a hypocrite, I want Medicare to stay viable. Not turn into a nightmare of 3 month waits to see a doctor and substandard care."

You like medicare right? Who do you think runs it? THE GOVERNMENT.

Why are you so convinced that with more people and more money it will get destroyed?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4955 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 5:48:46 PM
Crakr

"Voluntary? VOLUNTARY?!! It's not voluntary, I have to have it or else. Are you nuts?"

You are not being forced to do it. That means it is voluntary. Do you know what the word voluntary means?

"Until you become disabled, like myself, and aren't employable. I've tried to explain it to you but your skull is too thick."

I sent you a link to a company that specializes in hiring disabled people to do customer service from home. You said you don't WANT to do it. That's fine. Don't tell me you CAN'T.

"You seem to believe everyone is employable, if they can type on a computer, but that's just not true.

YES IT IS. Work for yourself. Freelance.
Learn to code apps.
Learn chinese and transcribe business documents.
Do live chat customer support.

I could list a thousand jobs that require no physical ability other than using a computer WHICH CLEARLY YOU CAN DO.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4955 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 5:43:02 PM
Crakr

"Oh yes they do! Guess you've never heard of the Independent Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB."

Yes I have. That is Sarah Palin's famous "death panel".

"whose task it is to cut the growth of Medicare spending"

NO. It is to stabilize the growth so it does not exceed projections. Isn't keeping costs from raising past Budgets a GOOD thing?

"The cuts they are mandated to make will be deep."

The CBO estimated that IPAB will achieve Medicare spending reductions of twenty eight billion through 2019—amounting to 0.4% of the projected Medicare spending of ~$7 trillion for the period."

WOW. SUPER DEEP.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16853 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 2:12:26 PM
HG: "How can you complain about something while you voluntarily use it?"

Voluntary? VOLUNTARY?!! It's not voluntary, I have to have it or else. Are you nuts?

"I would never ever do that. I would get a job."

Until you become disabled, like myself, and aren't employable. I've tried to explain it to you but your skull is too thick. You seem to believe everyone is employable, if they can type on a computer, but that's just not true.

I'm not a hypocrite, I want Medicare to stay viable. Not turn into a nightmare of 3 month waits to see a doctor and substandard care.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16853 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 1:59:38 PM
HG: "The government has no oversight of daily choices."

Oh yes they do! Guess you've never heard of the Independent Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB. IPAB consists of 15 unelected, appointed bureaucrats whose task it is to cut the growth of Medicare spending, and the cuts they are mandated to make will be deep.

The decisions IPAB makes behind closed doors can only be overturned by a supermajority of congress, something almost impossible to achieve.

IPAB's plan for controlling costs, is to cut reimbursement rates to doctors and hospitals. They decide what procedures are important, not your doctor, and they decide what Medicare will pay for them.

Physician reimbursements will be slashed to unsustainable levels. No doctor or hospital can offer services below cost and stay in business.

There is no "Doc fix" for this in Obamacare, it will likely end my ability to get healthcare at all.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4955 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:48:32 AM
Crakr

"Don't chide me about my disability."

I DON'T. I NEVER HAVE. I chide you about your hypocrisy. How can you complain about something while you voluntarily use it?

"I'd like to see just how well you could survive on less than $800 a month, it might humble you a bit."

I would never ever do that. I would get a job.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4955 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:46:52 AM
Crakr

"Just as no bureaucrat should get in between a doctor and their patients care, which is exactly what Obamacare does."

HOW? It is still private health insurance. The government has no oversight of daily choices.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4955 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:45:52 AM
Crakr

"And since you are such a great capitalist yourself, why aren't you voluntarily paying your employees a $15 minimum wage?"

My employees make $35 - $50 / hr

Why don't you restrict your pay to 1/12th of the lowest paid employee?"

I don't even make twice as much as them.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4955 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:43:45 AM
5Cats

"@HolyGod: how many times will you repeat this slander? You know @PMarren and others got temp-banned for less. Endlessly spam-repeating of hate-filled lies is SUPPOSED TO BE a 'no-no' at IAB. I don't know why YOU get 'special privileges'...

Don't you have anything better to do than to tell lies about perfect strangers?"

It isn't a lie. He is on on government provided healthcare. How is that a lie? Or slander for that matter?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16853 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:30:30 AM
HG: Don't chide me about my disability. If you can't look in the mirror and afford to give your own employees THE VERY BEST benefits and wages possible, even if it means you have to loose all your profit to do so, then you're a much bigger hypocrite than me.

I'd like to see just how well you could survive on less than $800 a month, it might humble you a bit.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16853 Posts
Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:23:27 AM
bliznik: "capitalists don't work to make products better. Capitalists work to make the most PROFIT."

Bullsh|t! Capitalists are always improving their product, from goods like cars and food, to services like insurance and healthcare. If you aren't improving you lag behind and don't make profit. There are government regulations in the way that make HMOs and other health insurers not improve and compete.

HG: "Nobody should ever choose between a person's health and a company's profits."

Just as no bureaucrat should get in between a doctor and their patients care, which is exactly what Obamacare does. The more the government gets their hands involved in this the worse it's going to get.

And since you are such a great capitalist yourself, why aren't you voluntarily paying your employees a $15 minimum wage? why don't you give them the best health insurance available? why don't you restrict your pay to 1/12th of the lowest paid employee?

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 11773 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 11:52:35 PM
Obama's no socialist, but the sorry state of your health insurance market is a clear demonstration that the current system sucks.

Your healthcare is a joke, a sickening bad joke.

bliznik
Male, 30-39, Western US
 468 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 10:49:23 PM
CrakrJak, capitalists don't work to make products better. Capitalists work to make the most PROFIT. As any business major will tell you, there are much easier ways to increase your profit margins than by working to make a superior product.

Obama is a Capitalist. His investment portfolio is similar to Romney's, and he funnels $$$ to special interests just like Republicans do. Hello, what the heck do you think the whole "let's delay the Employer Stared Responsibility" fiasco was all about??? He just funnels $$$ into his accounts using Democratic special interests instead of Republican ones.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24377 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 10:41:16 PM
put your money where your mouth is and GET OFF GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE. You are a chicken hawk.


@HolyGod: how many times will you repeat this slander? You know @PMarren and others got temp-banned for less. Endlessly spam-repeating of hate-filled lies is SUPPOSED TO BE a 'no-no' at IAB. I don't know why YOU get 'special privileges'...

Don't you have anything better to do than to tell lies about perfect strangers?

Do you honestly feel proud of yourself?

"Yeah! I lied about him REAL GOOD! HAhaha! I think I'll phone my Mom and tell her! She'll be so PROUD of me!" = @HolyGod

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4955 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 8:14:15 PM
Crakr

"When capitalists can't sell you a product, they'll work to make it better"

Who do you think has been in charge of the insurance business? Capitalists. Capitalists decided not to accept people with pre-existing conditions. Capitalists decided to not offer their workers benefits. Capitalists decided to deny claims. Capitalists are the reason american healthcare system sucks for so many people.

Nobody should ever choose between a person's health and a company's profits. Healthcare should not be a for profit business.

Once again, if you hate government involvement in healthcare so much, put your money where your mouth is and GET OFF GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE. You are a chicken hawk.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16853 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 7:37:25 PM

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4955 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 7:10:10 PM
bliznik

"That statement alone shows that you really don't know much about this law..."

Of course he doesn't. Most of them don't. They argue against their perception of it instead of what it is. That is why you still hear about "death panels". Conservative pundits have to make things up to get people riled up, otherwise there really isn't much to get mad about.

bliznik
Male, 30-39, Western US
 468 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 4:18:36 PM
"Meanwhile, the number of people who have signed up for Obamacare is about 51,000."

What does this even mean?! Nobody can sign up for Obamacare. It's not a health program! People can sign up for health insurance. Obamacare provides a platform through which people can sign up easier than the platform they used to have. (as crappy as the website is, the previous websites that existed were way crappier) Obamacare CHANGES health insurance, and adds new ways we can get health insurance. You can't GET Obamacare.

That statement alone shows that you really don't know much about this law...

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4955 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 3:39:33 PM
AvatarJohn

"the number of people who have signed up for Obamacare is about 51,000. That is pathetic."

Yep. The website has been a worldclass f.uck up. NO doubt.

"Not even Democrats in Congress or Obama want any part of that mess, otherwise, they would have passed and signed the bill the House sent them requiring that they participate!"

Do you guys go to the same misinformation classes? I don't understand. Congress is NOT exempt from the law.

The law is NOT intended for people like congressmen. They all already have top of the line health insurance. They will all probably keep what they have, just like most people will. However the new law will greatly help people who couldn't otherwise get or afford health insurance because their employer doesn't offer it, they have a low income, or they have pre-existing conditions.

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