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patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4568 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 11:11:03 AM
McGovern1981:
"The problem with it is that you'd have to get every country in the world to agree to do it or the company will just find a way around it like I've shown in the comments below. The whole raising the min wage thing isn't a fix either because then they just raise priced to cover cost thereby perpetuating the cycle."
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But the solution then isn't to do nothing at all. If people aren't making enough to survive and crime is increasing because of it, something has to be done. Shooting that it's a "Socialist way of thinking" doesn't help the problem. It just ignores it and tries to put down anyone who wants to fix it.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13938 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 11:05:29 AM
@redofluke1 If it doesn't work whats the worst thing that could happen they repeal the law?

That makes as much sense as burning down your house to get rid of the roosterroaches.

"If it doesn't work what's the worst thing that could happen? You can just put out the fire, right?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13291 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 10:50:19 AM
@patchouli

The problem with it is that you'd have to get every country in the world to agree to do it or the company will just find a way around it like I've shown in the comments below. The whole raising the min wage thing isn't a fix either because then they just raise priced to cover cost thereby perpetuating the cycle.

greenbasterd
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2335 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 10:40:13 AM
some people might call you a communist for this belief.. but they all make to much money

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4441 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 10:39:37 AM
1;12 isn't going to work for so many reasons, but I agree that when the wealth gap becomes a massive wealth chasm then society suffers.

But if you have, as most organisations must, unqualified, semi-skilled staff making a reasonable £15,000 then asking your highly qualified, experienced staff to accept a limit of £180,000 regardless of how good they are and what they bring to the organisation is unrealistic.








patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4568 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 10:24:57 AM
..and...as for working at minimum wage, we all had to do it, but now a lot of us are in a position to try and raise families on it. Here is some very simple math for you:
Ontario Minimum Wage=$10.25
$10.25x40 hours a week = $410 per week
$410 x 4.34 (number of weeks in a month)=$1779.40 per month and that's before taxes are taken off.
Average price for a 2 bedroom apartment here: $1200 a month plus heat and hydro (add another $110 for that).=$1330 a month.
Now add in car and gas, clothing, debt payments, groceries, household expenses and child raising costs and you can quickly see that minimum wage is not enough. The response of "Get a better paying job" doesn't cut it either as there aren't any around. So...what should a person in this situation do? Turn to a life of crime? Sell drugs? Rob banks? What do they do?

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4568 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 10:23:43 AM
McGovern1981"
"We've been over this..... I support legalizing weed, no religion with Gov. and keeping planned parenthood open. So I can't be too far right. It always amusing how the far left side preaching against putting people into groups then proceeds to do just that with whomever disagrees with them....."
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It's a might hypocritical of you to assume that I am a far left liberal...

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5607 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 10:14:06 AM
This is perfectly workable- if well written, and will work in Switzerland. It won't work in the US because for some obscure reason they do not understand how fair play benefits everyone.. I know plenty of Americans who think the NHS is a terrible idea- DESPITE not having good healthcare themselves... weird how it works!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13291 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 10:14:02 AM
You may claim to not be a righty, but you certainly talk like you. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...


We've been over this..... I support legalizing weed, no religion with Gov. and keeping planned parenthood open. So I can't be too far right. It always amusing how the far left side preaching against putting people into groups then proceeds to do just that with whomever disagrees with them.....

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4568 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 10:05:12 AM
@McGovern1981, You may claim to not be a righty, but you certainly talk like you. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

This isn't about paying everyone equally. Not by a long shot. This is about making sure that the CEO and others at the top aren't hording all the cash and letting the guys who work for it suffer. There should be a ratio in place. When you make a certain amount of money more than your employees, that amount is taxed, a lot. Then they can decide whether to give that cash to the government or give it to their employees. The other option is to allow all employees to buy into the company through percentages of their paychecks. Then, the more hours you work, the better the company does, the more you get paid.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 8:23:26 AM
@bliznik

As for inflation, it is currently unmanageable because of Federal money policies; monopolies and oligarchies cannot distort the entire marketplace.

Inflation in the market is a result of new money entering the market without a change in resources/assets. Put plainly, "printing" money without either backing it via new resources or destroying an equivalent amount of money results in inflation. Unfortunately, this is exactly what happens here - it's called fiat money and it's a product of our strange fractional reserve banking system.

Imagine these scenarios:

A - The market has 10 gold coins and $100;
B - The market has 10 gold coins and $1000;

In which market do you suppose the gold coins cost more? Well, obviously it's B. Despite this, the market still only has 10 identical gold coins!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13291 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 8:17:07 AM
Certain kinds of government control over certain kinds of businesses work great. See China, France, and Germany.


And the government controlling wages of all business wouldn't be certain kinds of businesses would it?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 8:15:33 AM
@bliznik

When you have a good that everyone MUST purchase (in other words, there is no supply/demand curve, just demand) with zero government controls, inflation can get quite unmanageable.

I'm not convinced that you understand economics enough to preach about them.

First off, there is always a curve. In a perfectly inelastic demand (theoretical, not real world), the demand curve would be vertical.

Now, it's important to understand that changes in supply and demand tend to affect price directly, which then may have an indirect effect on the other's quantity. However, with a perfectly inelastic demand like you described, any changes to the supply are likely unimportant to demand - only price.

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 5083 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 8:10:41 AM
"what keeps a big shot from rebasing their HQ"
I think I heard the Ikea dude did that. I could be mistaken.

bliznik
Male, 30-39, Western US
 483 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 7:59:20 AM
"Government control of private business work out so well for Russia in the past....."

Certain kinds of government control over certain kinds of businesses work great. See China, France, and Germany.

There's a reason we have anti-monopoly laws and food subsidies in the U.S. When you have a good that everyone MUST purchase (in other words, there is no supply/demand curve, just demand) with zero government controls, inflation can get quite unmanageable.

kvetcher
Male, 50-59, Europe
 166 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 7:58:11 AM
@ibwhite
Maybe.
Wikipedia, interestingly, re-directs from Myanmar to Burma.
Is the name of a country in the English language what its inhabitants or government from time to time call it, or is it the English word for that country? I don't call North Korea by the phonetic pronunciation of its Korean name. Deutschland, Espana, etc, etc.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13291 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 7:55:41 AM
Notice there is no answer as to what keeps a big shot from rebasing their HQ and paying themselves whatever they want......

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13291 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 7:54:21 AM
so unless there is a tax advantage i'm pretty sure those factories will be moving in the not to far future..


How's this working out for you in the NOW again?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13291 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 7:53:05 AM
Here's an idea, try working 12 hours shifts for minimum wage and see how long you last before you start realizing how corperate greed and the abuse of your employees is wrong.


Assume a bit? Yep never worked more than a 12 hour day waiting tables for yuppies in upstate NY right on lake George in the summer while in college... oh no wait I did do that and it was less than minimum cause I depended on tips!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13291 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 7:49:52 AM
You righties have a really hard time understanding what Communism is. I can tell you what it isn't, it's not the government stepping in to stop the abuse of it's people. Making sure that Corporations pay their employees fairly is no different than making sure we have laws in place to stop theft. It's making sure that everyone is being treated fairly.


I told you before I'm not a Rebup or a Dem. I don't care about your party. Why is it when lefts hear someone who disagrees with them they label you instantly?

One of communisms basic ideas was everyone gets paid equally right? Hence why I called it communism light it's quite the similar principle. It does nothing to stop them from leaving and sound like loophole land. Government control of private business work out so well for Russia in the past.....

Big_And_Tall
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 36 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 7:38:31 AM
FIX YOUR KEYBOARD ALREADY!!!

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2326 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 7:26:10 AM
Tell that to the entrepreneurs leaving Italy for places like Poland. even Ferrari moved part of it's factory to Poland.

the frigging best part about that Crackjack,, is that all the polis labourers up and left for better wages (were swimming in them over here) which means that the labour price is actualy going up in poland, so unless there is a tax advantage i'm pretty sure those factories will be moving in the not to far future..

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4568 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 7:16:50 AM
Sometimes I think that the right is just "cutting off it's nose to spite it's face". Demanding that people get paid less and the rich get tax cuts and get paid more. This is the brainwashed call of the righty. Either that or the call of one of the heartless rich bastards that want more money at any cost.

...and just to reiterate, I have no problem with people being rich. When you deserve it, you deserve it. But don't run over thousands of employees to do it.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4568 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 7:13:51 AM
@McGovern1981
You righties have a really hard time understanding what Communism is. I can tell you what it isn't, it's not the government stepping in to stop the abuse of it's people. Making sure that Corporations pay their employees fairly is no different than making sure we have laws in place to stop theft. It's making sure that everyone is being treated fairly.

Here's an idea, try working 12 hours shifts for minimum wage and see how long you last before you start realizing how corperate greed and the abuse of your employees is wrong.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4568 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 7:08:49 AM
CrakrJak:
"So the owner of a company, the person that risked his capital, isn't entitled to the profits?
This is pure socialist bullsh|t."
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Not at all. You see, there is nothing wrong with a CEO, the guy who put in the capital and took the risks, owning a yacht, a mansion, 10 cars etc. etc. Go for it! You took the risks, you deserve to reap the rewards. The problem is when that same guy isn't happy with 10 cars and decides he wants 20, plus a second mansion. Then, he decides to get it by cutting back his employees salaries. This causes them to earn barely enough money to live while the CEO buys his second yacht. His greed has a HUGE negative impact on society. Along with running a huge corporation comes the responsibility to look after your employees. If you don't, then you are no better than a sweat shop owner. Someone needs to step in and help look out for the employees that you are screwing over.


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