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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13291 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:50:53 AM
@masmas and Musuko42

And now that you've gotten both argument it's in reality like this.....

Both their stupid asses.

masmas
Male, 30-39, Europe
 56 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:49:05 AM
@Rob79

Say you bargain over a drink. You agree on the conditions under which it will be sold and you agree to buy it.

Then yo refuse to pay. This is, if not illegal, the act of an azzhole.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2833 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:48:58 AM
@HumanAction

Even if what they're doing is legal...isn't is still somewhat against the spirit? This part of government already approved this healthcare law...and now it comes to funding it, they're stopping it?

Surely the will of that part of the government had already spoken in favour of it when they passed it?

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2833 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:40:11 AM
@HumanAction

Surely, if what the Tea Party side is doing is legal, then Obama's side refusing to negotiate is also legal?

Why is there so much spite against Obama if it's not?

Also, whether or not it's legal, doesn't this whole situation suggest the system is flawed? The concept of checks and balances seems sound; but in practice right now, with the credit limit looming, it seems rather dangerous.

In the normal course of things, I would imagine this kind of deadlock has the luxury of time for being resolved. But in this particular instance, there's a ticking clock.

Is there no contingency written into your system to cover such an eventuality?

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:28:22 AM
@ Robb79: Pardon me for just a second. ~Squrlz slams his head into his desk in exasperation~

There. Much better now.

NO! The ACA is NOT a bill, for heaven's sake. ~bangs head into desk again~ It was SIGNED INTO LAW by the president, after passing the HOUSE and then the SENATE, in March 2010. The law was subsequently challenged and adjudicated by the Supreme Court, who upheld the law in June 2012.

The clean CR (the resolution to fund the government WITHOUT an attempt to undo the ACA) IS a bill. It would pass the House if Speaker Boehner was willing to allow it to come to a vote. He has so far refused to do this because he KNOWS it will pass--which will anger the Tea Partiers, which, in turn, would almost certainly cost him the speakership.

robb79
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 19 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:21:12 AM
@MASMAS

Refusing to pay for it is a very legal action.

robb79
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 19 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:18:02 AM
The CR isn't a bill? Pass the clean "BILL" they say? ACA is part of the CR, and if congress is trying to defund that part of the Spending BILL, do they not have the power to do so?

masmas
Male, 30-39, Europe
 56 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:14:11 AM
@HumanAction

I understand very well that there is a system which creates hurdles for any law to pass and that the separation of power creates a very complicated situation where it needs approval of every entity in this power system. Our system is quite alike.

What I don't understand: The Act apparently sailed around all these cliffs and was made law. Refusing to accept this law is not a legal action, now is it?

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:58:06 AM
@ HumanAction:

...they created a powerful set of checks-and-balances that allow any of the House, Senate, or President to essentially veto any Bill through various means.

Exactly. And this isn't a bill. It's a LAW, the result of years of checks-and-balances legislative process such as you describe.

It absolutely floors me that you apparently think our founding fathers intended for any minority faction to UNDO years of legislative process whenever they disliked the outcome.

If James Madison, who mused about purse strings in Federalist Paper #58, knew that his words were being used to threaten the United States default on its loans, he would be spinning in his grave.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:35:38 AM
@Musuko

I am apparently living in la-la-land, per Squrlz's explanation. Allow me to offer a different perspective.

The people who framed this government understood that inaction is always preferable to bad action. In other words, it is better for the government to sit idly than to create bad laws. In order to defend this stance, they created a powerful set of checks-and-balances that allow any of the House, Senate, or President to essentially veto any Bill through various means.

The House can stop legislation by refusing to fund it or refusing to take it to vote. The President can completely veto bills.

The fact of the matter is, that our system requires all parties to reach an agreement before any law can be put into play. As of now, that has not yet happened. The use of the words "blackmail," "extortion," and "hostage" is irresponsible because this is a LEGAL action by the House.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:09:52 AM
@ Musuko: I'll say this: Your discussions on here with IAB'ers have been great. You have a better understanding of our legislative process than the vast majority of Americans, so kudos.

Don't allow yourself to be sidelined. Anyone who claims that what's occurring now is part of the normal checks-and-balances is living in la-la land.

Those of you abroad who are thinking this nation's democracy is in danger of going off the rails because a minority is holding the country hostage to undo years of legislative process that ended in a way they didn't like: It is. Your perceptions are accurate.

The Tea Partiers who are trying to pretend this is business as usual are also the lunatics saying, "What difference does it make if the United States defaults on its loans? It's no big deal. Default-shmefault. Who cares?!"

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:57:34 AM
@ McThstlpnts: Oh thank heavens there's some sanity among the IAB crowd.

~Squrlz hugs McThstlpnts' ankle~

McThstlpnts
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 1494 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:49:32 AM
@masmas and Musuko42 That is, in its most basic form, EXACTLY what is going on. Except President Obama didn't create PPACA...he just signed the bill.

xavroche
Male, 30-39, Europe
 814 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:33:59 AM
This was a very noble and altruistic thing to do....what a grand coincidence that it was accidentally leaked to the press.


masmas
Male, 30-39, Europe
 56 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:52:44 AM
Haha @Musuko42. At least I'm not alone!

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2833 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:48:52 AM
@masmas

That's how it appeared to me too. But it seems to be a whole lot more of a complicated mess of a system over there, regards how things are funded.

I retreated from the debate myself, when it became clear I wasn't going to be able to understand it without a long crash course in America's very alien political system.

All I'm able to do is stand alongside you, staring across the Atlantic, shrugging my shoulders and saying "dafuq?!"

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2833 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:46:08 AM
@5Cats

"@Mad_Gremlyn: I've served in the Canadian Armed Forces! Briefly..."

He didn't say you didn't. You're doing it again: you're jumping to conclusions based on your own internal projections, rather than what you're actually reading. He said:

"You need not stop payment on the fool known as 5brainCells because, as much as he wishes he is, he's not an American citizen. The rest of these takers can be counted as leeches that contribute nothing and have never served in the armed forces"

He refers to you (insulting you differently), and then says the REST haven't served in the armed forces. You are SPECIFICALLY excluded from that insult.

So why did you feel you need to defend your military service, when it wasn't being insulted?

PLEASE pay attention and remember what we talked about before.

masmas
Male, 30-39, Europe
 56 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:42:35 AM
As I am wether American nor living there I might get this one wrong but someone might be able to explain it to me:

- Obama created the Health Care Act
- The bill passed and is valid law now
- Now the reps blackmail Obama by saying: we shut down the country if you do not take back a bill that has already passed.
- Obama does not take it back

And now everything is Obamas fault?

Please explain.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16953 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:50:26 AM

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Wednesday, October 09, 2013 11:43:13 PM

Meanwhile, the congressional gym and sauna is still open. Only "non-essential" things are closed. Of course a good steam bath would be so critical after a hard day of screwing the country over.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3654 Posts
Wednesday, October 09, 2013 10:27:28 PM
@5Cats - It takes all of 2 seconds for me to load a breechloading double barrel shotgun. A 5, 6 or 9 round capacity pump action is a better alternative though if you ask me.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24910 Posts
Wednesday, October 09, 2013 9:20:45 PM
@WhoDat: Because criminals always wait politely for you to reload your double barreled shotgun...
NEVERMIND that his advice is ILLEGAL...

I heard that all the furloughed workers get back paid when government operates again.

@paperduck: It's true! That Bill was passed 402-0 by the House but it's currently sitting in the Senate... no doubt it will instantly be passed there once this who thing blows over...

@Mad_Gremlyn: I've served in the Canadian Armed Forces! Briefly...
HOW do you know those other guys have not? Idiot much?

@stk5m: No doubt she's wealthy. ALL those parasites in DC are! And how many houses does Al Gore own? Hummmm?

@Zghost: Not sure which side you are criticizing... lolz!

RoboPatton
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2429 Posts
Wednesday, October 09, 2013 8:29:52 PM
@stk5m -

Maybe a few shy of the white houses.

Zghost
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 165 Posts
Wednesday, October 09, 2013 8:24:00 PM
Ah the Shutdown, the Ultimate Filibuster for Obamacare. Our government disgusts me more every day.

stk5m
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 301 Posts
Wednesday, October 09, 2013 8:22:35 PM
So she won't take a paycheck. How many bedrooms does the guest house on her vacation property have?

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