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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26317 Posts
Monday, October 14, 2013 12:53:12 AM
The law was passed then reviewed and found to be constitutional.

@broizfam: You are aware that slavery was legally passed and found constitutional by the Supreme Court, right? you KNOW THIS yes?

@WhoDat: And where does Biden live? Answer me that Mr.Genius! Last time I checked the Home of the VP was INSIDE DC CITY LIMITS eh?

Why are you:
#1 Defending an idiot
#2 Trolling?

Both should be "beneath you" eh?

@rob79: You are correct! In fact? It's A TAX! NOT A BILL AT ALL! It's... A... TAX! That's what the Supreme Court said...

Stormith
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 543 Posts
Sunday, October 13, 2013 12:22:41 PM
@liabach
you just made my day

liabach
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1674 Posts
Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:19:36 AM
by Grabthars hammer, Oh what a savings

BlackHaze
Male, 18-29, Europe
 197 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 2:10:30 PM
Anyone think how we can see this letter? The chief admin didn't put it online, and the postal services sure as poo didn't.

This is just another case of "look how good I am!" from someone who probably doesn't even need that money.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:25:32 PM
@ Robb79: As you can see from my note to Elkingo, I misunderstood you. I apologize.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3707 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:04:19 PM
robb79,
I don't think he should, actually. I also don't think we should have this law. I also think it's a crappy reason to force a shutdown that punishes only the people depending on the federal government, possibly even leading to default. By the way, since when was big business a friend to the Democratic party? It's his constituency he's forcing it onto...they're his "friends".

robb79
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 19 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:13:44 PM
@ brozifam

The law passed, was held up by the Supreme Court, you're right.

Why does Barack get to say "wait, I changed my mind" let's just delay the things my friends don't like?

robb79
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 19 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:10:58 PM
@ elkingo Thank you! For once some sanity!
@ Squrlz

I never called the ACA a bill. It needs to be funded. There is a spending bill. Spending bills FUND things. THE ACA IS A LAW!!!!!!!!!

"wait", says the small mousy voice in the corner, "why does Barry get to change laws whenever he wants? This was agreed to like bargaining over a drink"

Spin it in whichever direction you'd like. I haven't seen any action to repeal the ACA, only delay the individual mandate for a year. Barry's friends got that consideration.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13542 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:56:25 PM
I've never quite understood that advice from Biden. It seems to me that it would make more sense to fire one shot in the air to get his attention, then point the still loaded gun at his head to get his compliance.


That's because he's a moron......

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3707 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:35:58 PM
@masmas,
You're right. The law was passed then reviewed and found to be constitutional. The GOP has decided that the shutdown is Obama's fault because he didn't say, "Oh, you changed your mind? Let's just forget it, then!" They purposefully and specifically decided to cause a governmental shut down, punishing numerous Americans (but not Obama), to make Obama look bad because he didn't want to negotiate a law THAT WAS ALREADY PASSED! They blame him because they won't seem like such a$$holes to the people who are dumb enough, or just knee-jerk Republican enough, to accept that excuse. It's just freaking pathetic.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3707 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:30:28 PM
I've never quite understood that advice from Biden. It seems to me that it would make more sense to fire one shot in the air to get his attention, then point the still loaded gun at his head to get his compliance.

chicagojay
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1989 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:01:00 PM
Lyyyynnnnnnnnnnnn Jenkins!

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3733 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:00:31 PM
@ForSquirel - I know what the laws are, I'm just informing 5Cats who apparently thinks it's illegal to fire a gun anywhere, which doesn't make sense. I didn't feel the need to go into all the details.

ForSquirel
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1721 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:56:16 PM
"It's only illegal to discharge a firearm within city limits"

@whodat, that's not 100% accurate. There are some schools outside of city limits. It's illegal to discharge any firearm within 1000' of a school zone, although discharging said firearm on your property still is.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3733 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:46:25 PM
"you've still ignored the ILLEGALITY of this Vice-Presidential advice..."

It's only illegal to discharge a firearm within city limits, not every American lives in a big city like New York, LA, Atlanta, Chicago, etc. I go upstate to the Hudson Valley where I grew up to visit friends and shoot. Wanna know where we go shoot? In the backyard.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26317 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:42:39 PM
...to set a precedent for the minority to pick and choose which portions of the government they restore?!


@Squrlz4: Last time I looked? the Repubs held the MAJORITY in the House... and the "precident" was set decades ago to do THIS VERY THING.

And the people being paid to close it off can't be paid to do that instead?


Exactly @McGovern! The point is it costs MORE to SHUT the parks than to operate them!

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3707 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:40:50 PM
@masmas,
You're right. The law was passed then reviewed and found to be constitutional. The GOP has decided that the shutdown is Obama's fault because he didn't say, "Oh, you changed your mind? Let's just forget it, then!" They purposefully and specifically decided to cause a governmental shut down, punishing numerous Americans (but not Obama), to make Obama look bad because he didn't want to negotiate a law THAT WAS ALREADY PASSED! They blame him because they won't seem like such a$$holes to the people who are dumb enough, or just knee-jerk Republican enough, to accept that excuse. It's just freaking pathetic.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26317 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:34:14 PM
Why on earth is one person even able to block votes like that?

@Squrlz4: @HumanAction's answer was perfect! I'd just like to add:

Boehner: Refuses to fund ACA
Reid: Refuses to fund anything BUT the ACA
Obama: Will VETO any cut to ACA
Obama: Refuses to even discuss the issue

Notice how Obama got "double counted"? Because the shoe fits, Cinderella!

And if Boehner didn't have the support of his party? or Reid or Obama? They'd quickly change their mind. It's NOT "just one person" it's the US Public, OK?

@Musuko42: In Australia the party in power KIVKED OUT their own Prime Minister, these things do happen! House and Senate speakers have been turfed before, idk when, but I'm sure it's happened.

So yes, these people CAN lose their position if they run too far a-fowl of their party's wishes...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26317 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:26:17 PM
No one reloads out in the open, you take cover for the second or two it takes to reload.

@WhoDat you've still ignored the ILLEGALITY of this Vice-Presidential advice...
And how many shots can the crooks get off in those few seconds?
Biden's advice is BAD. Simply shouting "I've got a loaded shotgun" is just as effective 99% of the time as "shots in the air". Yes? The vast majority of "defending yourself with a gun" does NOT require a shot to be fired! Yes?

@Squrlz4: But the SENATE BILL funds ObamaCare and the Repubs want that on a SEPERATE Bill! Which is their RIGHT. Yes?
Just as the Senate "modified" a previously passed Bill to INCLUDE ACA, the House wants to re-modify it!
WHY is it OK with YOU for one to do so, but NOT the other? It's perfectly legal for both. It's been done 1,000 times before!
So the House has sent 20+ OTHER CRs to the Senate. Who refuses to pass them.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26317 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:19:12 PM
Sorry 5Cats, I'm not sure what comment of mine you're responding to there. Can you clarify?

Sorry @Musuko42 I was in a rush: waited 20 minutes anyhow! lolz
I refer to why I didn't care about @Mad_Gremlyn (or whomever it was) wasn't talking about MY military service. I didn't "misunderstand him" as you suggested, I simply did not care!
Sorry I buggered up my reply.

Does one side's shady dealings justify the other side being shady, though?


So what SHOULD the GOP do? Just sit back and let Obama spend 2 TRILLION (over 10 years) on harmful TAXES? Heck no! They were sent to Washington to GOVERN and that's just what they're tying to do!
Of course Obama and the Dem Senate were sent for the same reason, and THEY are trying to do it too...

The "give the Dems all the rope they want" plan was considered, and rejected.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:35:37 AM
@Musuko

If we weren't, then why form societies at all?

To protect us from foreign enemies and to ensure personal liberties are protected from each other.

My issue with "the greater good" is that it lacks principles; it sets arbitrary points and that is unacceptable to me.

For example, we probably agree that a billionaire shouldn't buy a golden yacht when children are starving. What about the person with a 4,000 sqft. house though? That's more than the average. What about the person who makes $60,000/year? That's in excess of the average, too.

I don't think you'd argue that someone making $60k/year should hand over his "excess" income. If not, then this idea of spreading wealth around isn't based at all on principles - it's based on arbitrary points along the line.

Unfortunately, as humans, we have a tendency to set the point beyond ourselves. That's not OK to me.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13542 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:32:23 AM
Be realistic now.


I am being realistic now. They're paying people to keep people out of these places when they could be paying people to keep them open just for political agendas.
Do you really want an untrained person handling pesticides? Or dangerous machinery? Mowers, trimmers, etc?


I own a house and do all that if you need training for it you're a special kind of stupid and not qualified. Your thought process is supporting bloated bureaucratic bulls hittery.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:10:46 AM
@McGovern1981

"And the people being paid to close it off can't be paid to do that instead?"

No. Why should they? If you're hired to do job A, you're not going to be happy to be asked to do job B.

And plenty of people have contracts defining their job role. And union backing.

Not to mention: these kinds of things aren't all just monkey work. Do you really want an untrained person handling pesticides? Or dangerous machinery? Mowers, trimmers, etc?

Be realistic now.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:08:33 AM
@HumanAction

"Sure, but is it OK to hurt others to prevent this natural differences? I don't think so."

I agree. But I don't see taxation (and market manipulation and control, etc, assuming that's what we're really talking about) as that happening.

Collectively, we've built this notion of democracy and law with the understanding that we collectively make rules, then all agree to follow those rules, even if we don't like them. And if we don't like them, we can speak against them and attempt to change them.

What's happened, essentially, is that the rules this system has chosen involves all of us sacrificing a small wound, financially, in order to help those who are suffering the big wounds.

Ultumately, we're all making small sacrifices for the collective good. If we weren't, then why form societies at all?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13542 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:52:19 AM
4.4 million people visit that monument every year. If 4 million people visited your house, don't you think you'd need to clean up after them every once in a while?


And the people being paid to close it off can't be paid to do that instead?

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