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Bill Moyers Essay: On the Sabotage of Democracy

Hits: 3562 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: CreamK
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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26337 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 10:48:57 PM
@Draculya

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12616 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 8:06:18 PM
5C "you call NORTH Korea's government 'functioning'? WTF?"

You have a point. lol

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26337 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 3:07:04 PM
@Dracukya: you call NORTH Korea's government "functioning"? WTF?

The US Gov't is still functioning dude! It's at 83% capacity and STILL 10X better than China OR Russia...
And North Korea? ZOMG! ROTFL!

When has USA dissolved congress due to inability to fix things?

Good question @CreamK! It has never dissolved, except for the Civil War. I don't think it's possible, but could be wrong.

If ALL the Congress Critters and Senate Members were to resign and NONE run for office in 2014? THAT would be interesting! They could run again in 2016 if they liked...

The House should be split like the Senate is and have 4 year terms with HALF standing for elections every 2 years. That way they're not "campaigning" constantly, eh?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13542 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 6:19:28 AM
When has USA dissolved congress due to inability to fix things? Is it even possible?


Probably but they get elected every two years and knowing the speed of politicians it's take about that long.... why stop there though it's more than just their ineptitude at work?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13542 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 6:12:36 AM
McGovern: Not all EU countries have a monarchy,


Umm pretty sure I said that.

they royal family has pretty reasonable allowances, not even 1% from the GDP. And they have no real power either, check your history before you speak..


Well lets see didn't the queen of the UK recently give herself a raise and who's the little twit that flies an Apache again? I'm sure he's qualified... yep no power there.....

You can't get such diversity from two parties


You seem to think there isn't more than two parties here there is but they don't get "campaign funding" from major corps so they don't get far in elections.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13542 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 6:02:43 AM

In China, Russia and North Korea, they at least have a functioning government. Amuricans are so funny.



This tard thinks every things shut down..... Why yes Drac I hear Camp 21 is lovely in the fall you should take a trip there!

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1191 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 5:24:51 AM
McGovern: Not all EU countries have a monarchy, i come from Finland and we have never had a king during independence. In countries that have monarchy, they royal family has pretty reasonable allowances, not even 1% from the GDP. And they have no real power either, check your history before you speak..

By saying "we are great as a species, i included every single humanbeing on the planet".

Not everything is efficient, European healthcare is far from perfect but it sure beats the murican version.

The right wing is there to server it's purpose just like left wing, the center, green parties etc. You can't get such diversity from two parties. The rest is same, they don't always get along, they end up in dead ends etc.. But we can and will throw them out and get a bunch of people in their place. When has USA dissolved congress due to inability to fix things? Is it even possible?

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12616 Posts
Friday, October 11, 2013 2:40:08 AM
"Land of the Free"

haaaaaahhhahaahhahahaha

In China, Russia and North Korea, they at least have a functioning government. Amuricans are so funny.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13542 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:16:01 PM
@McDuff73

I wouldn't consider a government that taxes people to give a family that's already set for life and had everything they want handed to them by the government and then have the government make excuses for their uselessness not bloated. There's a few countries there that do this not all but our primary audience here is from one of those.....

McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
 739 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 3:18:54 PM
CreamK was clearly talking about healthcare not 'everything' and I dont see how paying tax wether to a government or a royal family (dont know in which country that happens Europe has several countries though) is any sort of guide to efficiency.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13542 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:28:02 AM
in Europe decades ago and is still keeping things in line so things don't get so bloated.. Like it should be.


Does anyone else see the irony of a person that lives in a place that makes people pay a tax to a royal family preaching how efficient everything is over there......

We live longer than ever, we are effing great as a species.


SO now you're a different species...that's beter.... isn't that the attitude that started 2 world wars?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26337 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:22:32 AM
@Musuko42: I've never said they weren't! In fact (on another thread) I specifically said the Senate is perfectly legal in holding up Bills. Obama has every right to "not negotiate" BUT I refuse to swallow the MSM Kool-Ade that it's 100% Republican's and Tea Party And Everyone BUT Obama to blame!
That's just a lie.

@patchy: Sorry, that documentary was on PBS a few years back... Frontline? It was one of those shows.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13542 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:18:55 AM
Guess I'm a "conservative-loon" (even though I'm pro gay marriage, weed legalization, and about as non-religious as you can get).


AGREE WITH US OR YOUR A TEA PARTY MEMBER AND A TERRORIST.... ya that's really winning me over too...


Now less BLAH BLAH BLAH DISS IS YOUR FAULTZZ NO DISS IS YOUR FAULTZZ!!! And more Michelle Malkin!!



Oh my my my my....

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5728 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:01:19 AM
@5cats: It would help me understand your point better if you could point to the actual doc.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 3:08:18 AM
@5Cats

If the Republicans are within their rights to refuse the budget, as it's the law, then surely the Democrats are equally within his rights to refuse to negotiate with them, as that's not against the law either?

Unless you can point out what law they're breaking?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14830 Posts
Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:18:24 AM
Bill Moyers is a f***ing commie.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26337 Posts
Wednesday, October 09, 2013 9:33:17 PM
@Squrlz4: You just looked at the 'headline' and not the article, didn't you! It clearly states that 800,000 people in New Jersey will, as of 2014, NOT be able to keep their CURRENT policies. They HAVE TO change to... cheaper ones? HECK NO! LMAO! It's going to cost them tons.

@patchy: I watched a docco on the "Long Term Effects" of gerrymandering in the USA.
#1 Both sides do it in almost every State, on various levels at various times.
#2 Sure it makes "a fortress" and causes 3 or 4 "swing districts" which nullifies the opposition's vote <in the short term>
#3 But over time those areas change! And the vote "swings" one way or the other, making them "fortresses" for either side, no matter who drew the lines in the first place!

So it would take constant work by ONE side <only> to "fix the vote" as @Squrlz4 suggests, but that NOT reality.

RoboPatton
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2429 Posts
Wednesday, October 09, 2013 8:24:48 PM
@onoffonoffon-

Yup, I'm being directed to hire more part timers and temps for my department...

Guess I'm a "conservative-loon" (even though I'm pro gay marriage, weed legalization, and about as non-religious as you can get).

onoffonoffon
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2171 Posts
Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:27:02 PM
The gov can and should only be judged by their previous efforts. Look at the education system. Never has so much been spent on so many who are undeserving/disinterested. If they can't make government mandates work with children how could it work with adults?
My semi-retired father's supplemental medical insurance just went up 30%. He works part time to help offset expenses like this and now he's going to have to work even more just to maintain his current standard level of insurance. Of course that's in addition to his rising property taxes and business taxes and every other tax he pays. All I can tell is that we are all getting less for more. Typical government.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5728 Posts
Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:35:39 PM
we don't do any better than the USA when it comes to bickering...

I contend that we are, but that's subjective. At least when our government can't pass a budget we kick them out and tell them to start over.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5728 Posts
Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:34:19 PM
"You DO understand that it's almost impossible to gerrymander one district YOUR way without making a different one THE OTHER way, right?"

This is uninformed and largely incorrect. I recommend you watch this video to learn how you can gerrymander a super majority while only creating one district for the opposing side. It's not a one-for-one proposition as you claim it to be.

"GHOD FORBID that a politician should LISTEN to his voters OR keep his promises! "

Latest Gallop poll has the GOP at a record low in popularity. Doesn't seem like the voters agree as much as you claim.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:03:39 PM
@ 5Cats: Honestly? It's not even worth responding to you. You misunderstand what's stated, come back arguing nonsense points based on that misunderstanding--and to top it off, either deliberately misrepresent articles you link to or (here's that word again) misunderstand their content.

I could point out specifically what I'm talking about, but I can't even be bothered anymore. I guess I'm making progress. Soon I won't even bother to *begin* a response such as this.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10317 Posts
Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:53:08 PM
@5Cats

At least your legislature isn't in a hurry to get 'something' done. That's one thing you should be proud of.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26337 Posts
Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:35:13 PM
@CreamK: The 'Char Count' is not accurate as you noticed already. After 850 or so? It just might cut off.

Multi Party Systems like in Italy or Israel? Where governments are made of groups of minority parties? And "radical" parties could hold the balance of power with just a few seats?

Canada has 5 "Major" parties; we don't do any better than the USA when it comes to bickering...

O-Care is an "attempt" to fix... what? It's driving UP prices and REDUCING coverage!

800,000 In New Jersey Just Lost Their Coverage

Why? Obama!
"You like your policy? You can keep it... IF WE DON'T FORCE THE COMPANIES TO CANCEL IT! Then of course y'all are screwed..."

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26337 Posts
Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:28:12 PM
via a gerrymandered district.

@Squrlz4: You DO understand that it's almost impossible to gerrymander one district YOUR way without making a different one THE OTHER way, right? Both sides do it for a reason: they BOTH benefit.
So a "generic House Republican " is MORE to blame than the PotUS or the Senate Leader? Oooo-K!

The majority of the Republican party has been sent on a fool's errand...

#1 I thought it was only 30 "renegade GOP" Congressmen? Now it's the "majority"?
#2 GHOD FORBID that a politician should LISTEN to his voters OR keep his promises!

Heck! Where would OBAMA be if he did something STUPID like that?

@WhoDat: I'm just noticing your silence when "righties" like Limbaugh, Bush or Beck or even Michelle Malkin get savagely slandered on IAB...

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