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Man Kills Neighbor For Raping His Wife... [Pic+]

Hits: 7529 | Rating: (2.2) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: drawman61
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MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2299 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 10:41:20 AM
"If you want to argue that American gun laws allowed a shooting, you need to find a case where a legally obtained gun was used by a legal gun owner murdered someone in a non-self-defense situation."

Good, this is an argument i can do something with and i understand the logic behind it.
here is my argument: if i am driving without a drivers liscence and kill someone wouldn't the logical question be.. How the F*ck did he get a car?
as for your argument about the speed limit, i'm pretty sure that after a certian amount of people died as a result of speeding, residents would demand some form of action being taken to prevent it?
i'm not arguing against guns right now, just saying that given all the info.. isn't it time some form of review of said laws, and upholding of said laws was checked so people don't get shot for this absurd reason?

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4311 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 10:32:23 AM
MrOrange-"do you get it know"

Yes, we get that you know very little about the subject at hand and are not open to a reasonable and logical thought process.

MrOrange-"or are you to busy claiming guns are good"

Guns are inanimate. They are neither 'good' nor 'bad'. Neither 'evil' nor 'benevolent'.

Guns are a tool. Do you say a spatula is 'good' or 'bad'? (I have one that is an excellently designed spatula..paid $40 of it. It's 'good' at what it does because it was well designed and constructed..but it is not 'good')

Like any tool, it can be very beneficial, or can hurt people.

MY guns have harmed no one, and one of them was very beneficial in its availability.

bordo
Male, 50-59, Western US
 746 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 10:27:16 AM
One of the charges is, "possession of a dangerous weapon by a restricted person". Therefore, this guy had the gun illegally. So, it just shows that gun laws don't work.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4311 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 10:26:33 AM
MrOrange-"'folks" managed to get their hands on a gun"

Which they did illegally.

Do you plan on making it double-super-secret illegal? The argument was 'God bless American gun laws.'

If someone habitually drive 80mph, changing the speedlimit law from 70mph to 60 mph does nothing to change the behavior of the guy driving 80mph.

And should he be driving 80mph (breaking the law) and t-bones a bus of orphaned nuns, no one would be sayin 'God bless American traffic laws'. You don't blame the car, you don't blame the traffic laws, you blame the person who broke the law.

If you want to argue that American gun laws allowed a shooting, you need to find a case where a legally obtained gun was used by a legal gun owner murdered someone in a non-self-defense situation. (then I'll point out that we have laws against murder, which he didn't seem to follow)

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2299 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 10:07:10 AM
And just to point out the bleedingly obvious to all the folks that say.. well anything can be used to kill someone.. no really?

i bet this woman had a kitchen, i bet that kitchen had several sharp objects in it, one could even be bold and say they had a basic toolbox which at least contained a hammer. they might even have a car (i don't know that one, cant be botherd to check) yet with all these potential weapons around she went through all the trouble and money to go out and buy a gun to kill with... do you get it know or are you to busy claiming guns are good to realise your talking out of yer ass?

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2299 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 9:51:10 AM
megrendel nice skipping around the topic. now lets get back on point shall we? oh and not to point out the bleedingly obvious, but...
who said i have an irrational fear of guns and how do proposed to back that claim up?

the point is, just becuase you seemed to have missed it. that these 'folks" managed to get their hands on a gun and kill someone with it, had they used any of the things you mentioned then the question would have been. "who the F*ck gave these folk have acces to that?"
since they didn't i fail to see the relavance of the things you mentioned. try again though you usualy come up with intresting arguments.

and i'm kinda intrested to see if Progun folks are also pro regulation to prevent "children of a lesser god" shooting up folks becuase they forgot to wear their tinfoil hat.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4311 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 9:29:10 AM
MrOranage-"A is that people who shouldn't have guns have guns"

B is that people who shouldn't have cars have cars.
C is that people who shouldn't have knives have knives.
D is that people who shouldn't have clubs have clubs.
E is that people who shouldn't have fists have fists.
F is that people who shouldn't have Xboxes have Xboxes.
G is that people who shouldn't have spatulas have spatulas.
H is that people who shouldn't have toilet lids have toilet lids.
I is that people who shouldn't have pickle jars have pickle jars.
J is that people who shouldn't have bowling balls have bowling balls.
K is that people who shouldn't have microwaves have microwaves.
L is that people who shouldn't have drugs have drugs.
M is that people who shouldn't have shoes have shoes.
N is that people who shouldn't have belts have belts.

All have been used to kill, yet you only have an irrational fear of one...

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6457 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 8:55:28 AM
We have a problem with guns, the mentally handicapped and prisons in our society. We can't refuse ownership of weapons to the crazies, they do something crazy and we warehouse them in prisons... Guns may not be the problem but easy access to them certainly is a contributor. I'd like to see background checks tied to mental evaluations and I'd also like to see people who are crazy be admitted (forcibly if necessary) to hospitals or doctors specializing in mental health issues. Prisons don't treat the mentally handicapped.
To richanddead, You have a chance to protect yourself from a knife wielder and you also can save yourself from a fire. To completely write off the easy access to guns in our society is disingenuous. Are you afraid of background checks? Afraid someone would deem your pinhead to be too pointy?

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2299 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 8:45:22 AM
@dead kittens

A claim that guns have 100% nothing to do with it?
so you know for sure that if the "man" didn't have a gun he would have killed him how? and by how i mean: How do you know that and how can you proof it?

let's be realistic and admit that guns have a point and click interface that is relaticly easy to operate. Killing someone with a sharp/blunt object takes at least strengt and more skill then click bang..

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2299 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 8:35:30 AM
codejockey

A is that people who shouldn't have guns have guns, and that people die as a result of that.
Now you can say America strict gunlaws and what have you not. that doesn't change problem A.

As for your claim that America has the strictest gunlaw in the world is Bullpoo and i'd slap the person who provided that information to you. they lied.

stk5m
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 301 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 8:33:55 AM
Greatest mugshots EVER!

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1773 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 8:23:48 AM
I'm sorry this is a tragic incident but any time a mentally ill person kills people because of their illness, regardless of the tool, are equally bad. Poo still happens, and will continue to happen regardless if guns are there or not. You can't legislate insanity out of people, you can only prevent the abilities of those who follow the laws.

Dead-Kittens
Male, 30-39, Canada
 982 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 8:22:05 AM
Jesus christ if his 'wife' didnt get a gun (which probably wasn't even mfg or sold in the USA) he would have stabbed him in the back or clubbed his skull in anyway ..gun laws have absolutely 100% nothing to do with this.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1773 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 8:17:39 AM
This has nothing to do with guns. Yes the gun was used as the tool to kill but it could have been anything.

Two weeks ago a crazy guy went on a stabbing rampage in Pioneer Square, Seattle. Just answer me: do you think these people should be able to get knives? What about the woman who rushed the capitol with her car. Just answer me: do you think these people should be able to get vehicles? What about the mentally ill kid who tried to use explosives to blow up West Albany High School in May. Do you think these people should be able to get information on how to make a bomb? What about people who drown their children because they are psychotic. Do you think these people should be able to have children? What about the mentally ill person who kill 16 people by setting a fire at the Greenwood Health Center nursing home? Do you think these people should be able to get a lighter?

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4922 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 8:15:04 AM
"how did the system fail. resulting in a reform of gun ownership laws."
Unless you're saying he purchased a weapon from a store, revising gun laws doesn't help much.

"It still makes sense to have stringent rules and guidelines where gun ownership is concerned."
The US already has the most stringent laws of any nation with legal ownership.

Making more procedure for people already operating within the law does not help.
-Identify and help the mentally ill.
-Identify and close the sources of durable illegal arms in reverse order of durability.

People who operate legal gun shops have an incentive to keep their shops operating.
People who sell illegal arms have already made a decision to risk 5 to 20 years of prison to make some profit.
These are two different kinds of people who don't have the same supply source.
You're attacking A without addressing B while A is not an active problem.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4146 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 5:23:10 AM
More guns, more guns, access for everyone! More guns! Heh-heh-heh! Cool! More guns!

[/sarcasm]

YugureKage
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 1211 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 5:16:12 AM
"It still makes sense to have stringent rules and guidelines where gun ownership is concerned."

If only the U.S. could grasp this concept :(

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 5361 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 5:09:20 AM
Thanks Mr Orange for explaining things for OldOllie, I forget that what seems self-explanatary to most of us, others need a little more help.

Rizzo71
Male, 40-49, Europe
 355 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 4:12:51 AM
Every idiot in the US needs a gun, because he thinks his neighbor is a bigger idiot.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2299 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 2:32:03 AM
You think there's no way to get weapon in your country?"

sure there is, a few years back someone with a record of mental ilness gunned down a bunch of people in a shopping mall. you know what the first question was? How the F**k did he get his hands on a gun, and how did the system fail. resulting in a reform of gun ownership laws.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2299 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 2:24:44 AM
"No, it isn't. It wasn't legally obtained"

what kind of argument is that? someone got shot in the back twice. becuase "she" though she was being raped telepathicaly..

some idjit flies a plane into a building and 13 years later millions of people are still being molested, forced to strip and what not just to be able to get on a plane.

pretty sure many more people got killed becuase of retards with guns. and your best answer is "it wasn't obtained legaly"

btw, i'm pretty sure it's illegal to kill someone?
how did that law work out here?

spanerbulb
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1247 Posts
Saturday, October 05, 2013 12:11:57 AM
CodeJockey, the argument regarding gun availability to people with serious mental disorders is still valid even if it isn't relevant to this particular situation. It still makes sense to have stringent rules and guidelines where gun ownership is concerned.

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4922 Posts
Friday, October 04, 2013 11:59:18 PM
"...people mentioned in the story who, appear to have some form of mental issue *cough* are able to get guns. is a serious question mark about the gun laws..."
No, it isn't. It wasn't legally obtained.

You think there's no way to get weapon in your country?

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2299 Posts
Friday, October 04, 2013 11:42:28 PM
"I just take it as their declaration of intellectual bankruptcy"

the fact that people mentioned in the story who, appear to have some form of mental issue *cough* are able to get guns. is a serious question mark about the gun laws. i'm not arguing about wether or not you should have them. But clearly when you talk about being raped telepathically you shouldn't be ablte to get your hands on a gun?

your knee jerk reactions to so called knee jerk reactions are getting boring and in the way of your judgement. just answer me: do you think these people should be able to get guns?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13358 Posts
Friday, October 04, 2013 9:44:47 PM
I'm still wondering how gun laws come into play on this one.

It just the typical liberal knee-jerk reaction, sort of like calling conservatives racists whenever they're losing an argument.

Anymore, I just take it as their declaration of intellectual bankruptcy.

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