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Invalid Arguments: Climate Change

Hits: 3668 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: Science | Added by: aquaman1227
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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24392 Posts
Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:41:14 AM
Oh are we having an asinine hyperbolic self-fellating contest?


@HolyGod: Honestly? How does your post "advance the discussion" Humm? Seriously dude.

YOU do this ALL the time!
Mr.Mensa Member
Self-Made Businessman
Mixed Martial Arts fighter
...and countless other forms of self grandiloquence you've posted here at IAB...

So you don't simply ASK for some evidence? HECK no! YOU THROW POOP! Like the Alinsky-trained monkey you've chosen to become.

I've never "demanded to see" @davymid's PHDs FFS! He says he has them? Fine! It doesn't alter WHAT he says now does it?

@casidhe: We "skeptics" do NOT say the Earth isn't warming, it is! It has been for 5,000 YEARS! And humans have VERY LITTLE to do with it. Period.
It's warmed up before, no humans around to blame!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24392 Posts
Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:30:46 AM
@mesovortex: VV SEE! SEE! That is EXACTLY what I'm talking about!!!
Common Complaints from the IAB Liberal Brigade:
-your links are BIASED
-there are no links!
-Faux News!
-your dumb!

Seriously? Address the topic. Spouting off like a hyperactive kindergartener is NOT a form of discussion!
Not so much you @mesovortex, mostly those OTHER posters here. They know who they are...

But YOU do it too!

@CrakrJak: Again, you're a creationist.

AGAIN: He's not a "6000 Year" creationist! You're arguing against a FALSE BELIEF (on YOUR part).

You by definition are scientifically illiterate -

THAT by definition is BIGOTRY. look it up! To dismiss every valid point because of YOUR bigoted beliefs = BAD!

Lets re-phrase that so it's REALLY easy to see:

"Your skin is white, so by definition are scientifically illiterate -"

SEE?

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 408 Posts
Saturday, September 28, 2013 5:22:34 AM
@5cats:
Your article had no scientific references or citations in it period. It was nothing but opinionated bunk.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 408 Posts
Saturday, September 28, 2013 3:23:45 AM
@CrakrJak:
Again, you're a creationist. You by definition are scientifically illiterate - and with every post in threads like these you prove it.

Your favorite tactic is to cherry pick ONE graph which still shows warming, pick the lowest part in the last 10 years, and then claim "Oh well it's not enough".

Here's the global mean over land and ocean temps:

Even the denialist website WUWT has a global temperature page which supports global warming:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/global-weather-climate/global-temperature/

Note that the lower stratosphere is cooling while the troposphere is warming. That's a dead giveaway to the greenhouse effect.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16868 Posts
Saturday, September 28, 2013 3:15:31 AM
HG: "I don't get it."

You rarely do. The most truthful thing you've said on IAB in years.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 408 Posts
Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:57:21 AM
@5cats:
I predict denialists instead of posting actual science will attempt to post op-eds which spin the science and skew it into drawing conclusions that the original science didn't say.

And, what do you do? Just that.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 408 Posts
Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:55:39 AM
@randomxnp:
I know the debate better than most people - and the video was spot on and based in facts.

Read the youtube description. Citations were provided.

Where's yours?

casidhe
Female, 40-49, Australia
 62 Posts
Saturday, September 28, 2013 1:34:49 AM
Anyone with ANY doubt about climate change really need to look at what is happening to the Poles and in particular Alaska's disappearing ice.We need to look at the whole Earth. Many people have been lulled into a sense of false security by the recent news that earths temperatures have stabilised but we also need to consider our Oceans temperatures which ARE getting warmer. The ice at the poles cools the planet and provides a buffering effect...so far. Without that ice (and it is disappearing fast) the planet will suddenly get much warmer.The term "global warming" has also confused the issue because as some areas become drier and hotter other areas become colder and wetter .The balance for sustainable life is precarious and when the tipping point occurs life on this earth for many species including our own may not be possible.The warning signs are all there .

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4960 Posts
Saturday, September 28, 2013 12:53:18 AM
OldOllie

"Oh, and BTW, I am a scientist. I've probably contributed to more published papers in the last year than you have read in your entire life."

Oh are we having an asinine hyperbolic self-fellating contest?

OK.

Here are some equally stupid comments:

I've probably had sex with more girls in the last year than you have in your entire life.

I've probably made more money in the last year than you have in your entire life.

I've probably scored more NFL touchdowns in the last year than you have seen in your entire life.

F.ucking how amazing how easy it is to be f.ucking amazing anonymously on the internet huh?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4960 Posts
Saturday, September 28, 2013 12:46:43 AM
OldOllie

"It is certainly not "Literally every person.""

I though it was pretty clear I was postulating a complete hypothetical. The point was not that literally every person believes that. The point was that even if they did you would hold your own personal opinion in higher regard.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24392 Posts
Friday, September 27, 2013 11:43:00 PM
Human Caused AGW = Religion!
It's a fact!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24392 Posts
Friday, September 27, 2013 11:37:50 PM
I doubt OldOllie disputes the planet is warming. Few informed people do.

Correct!! @randomxnp is right! The Earth IS WARMING! No doubt about it!
It's the ALL or NOTHING mindset of the AGW side that causes these nonsensical arguments. Their dogma must never even be questioned!

The Science Is Settled!

The rate and the cause AND WHAT HUMANS should do about it? That's another matter!

This video does not address most of the sceptics' arguments.

Correct again @randomxnp! The strawmen are so easy to "prove wrong" eh? But that's typical...

He pointed out that in the past, CO2...

@Mesovortex: So in THE PAST the humans raised the CO2? Or did it happen NATURALLY? THAT is the real question he avoids...

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13422 Posts
Friday, September 27, 2013 10:49:12 PM
Ollie knows more about science than scientists.

I don't consider AGW hucksters to be scientists, because they don't follow the scientific method.

o The scientific method does NOT allow you to start with your conclusion.

o The scientific method does NOT allow you to search only for data that supports your conclusion.

o The scientific method does NOT allow you to hide data that contradicts your conclusion.

o The scientific method does NOT allow you to slander and personally attack other scientists who present data that contradicts your conclusion.

AGW isn't science. It's just a bunch of liberals who want to boss people around and take their stuff.

Oh, and BTW, I am a scientist. I've probably contributed to more published papers in the last year than you have read in your entire life.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13422 Posts
Friday, September 27, 2013 10:38:00 PM
So 95% of the scientific community that studies this field think one thing.

Actually, I think it's closer to 100%. You can't be accepted as a member of this so-called "community" unless you FIRST declare your belief in AGW.

It's like saying 95% of Catholic priests believe God exists. Does that make it so?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13422 Posts
Friday, September 27, 2013 10:32:44 PM
Literally every person that has devoted their lives to the study of the earth, weather patterns, etc could walk up to him and say that their research has convinced them that climate change is real and man made...

And there you have it -- the Big Lie. This claim of "consensus" is the fundamental underpinning of the fraud. It is certainly not "Literally every person." The AGW pimps have taken over the universities, journals, funding organizations, and government bureaucracies. Anyone who presents conflicting evidence is immediately slandered as a "denier," equating them with Holocaust deniers, and shunned. They can't even graduate, let alone get hired, promoted, tenured, funded, or published unless they toe the line.

AGW has MUCH more in common with religion than science. Colleges turn out true believers just as consistently as any seminary or madrasa, all professing belief in their one true god. It's the biggest fraud in history

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4960 Posts
Friday, September 27, 2013 9:29:02 PM
skullgrin

"these people who think global warming has anything to do with humans are retarded. like, seriously mentally handicapped."

Another person who is so much smarter than all the scientists.

So 95% of the scientific community that studies this field think one thing. Please tell us what years of research or study you have done that trumps their opinion?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4960 Posts
Friday, September 27, 2013 9:26:51 PM
Crakr

"I'm celebrating. The STL Cardinals just won the NL Central Division."

I don't get it. However you didn't say "we just won" so I'll give you credit for that.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4960 Posts
Friday, September 27, 2013 9:25:47 PM
mesovortex

Ollie knows more about science than scientists. Literally every person that has devoted their lives to the study of the earth, weather patterns, etc could walk up to him and say that their research has convinced them that climate change is real and man made and it wouldn't matter because he believes he is smarter than all of them and his opinion trumps their years of research and knowledge.

He once told me that he went to a mensa meeting once but he was so much smarter than everyone so he left.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 408 Posts
Friday, September 27, 2013 9:03:18 PM
@skullgrin:
The temperature on all of the other planets is not going up as well. If you bothered to research this claim before posting it, you'd know it.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16868 Posts
Friday, September 27, 2013 8:47:24 PM
HG: "Where are the conservatives...?"

I'm celebrating. The STL Cardinals just won the NL Central Division. So I really don't give a crap about the AGW alarmists cries right now.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16868 Posts
Friday, September 27, 2013 8:43:42 PM
Davy: "...it'll be too late anyway. Screw the next generation..."

Says the guy whose career it is to find the oil that is supposedly creating all the excess CO2 that's "killing the planet".

The sky isn't falling, the planet is fine, just go live your life and ignore the scaremongers that are trying to manipulate the world for profit.

Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 299 Posts
Friday, September 27, 2013 8:25:55 PM
0ok skullgrin, let us all here and now agree you are right, it is not man made... just for the sake of argument, not man made at all.. should man interfere in the climate changes though? and lets assume that we do want to change the way the climate is turning around, does it really matter if it is man made? should we not try to counter it? should the counter not be man made?

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12051 Posts
Friday, September 27, 2013 7:58:20 PM
Aw, who gives a f*ck anymore. By the time we collectively finally admit that it's happening, it'll be too late anyway. Screw the next generation, open another case of beer!

p.s. To my daughter: I apologise that you were born into a generation of retards.

skullgrin
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 915 Posts
Friday, September 27, 2013 7:27:38 PM
there is absolutely zero evidence that global warming is man made.

whats interesting is that the temp on all the planets in our solar system is also going up. is that man made too?

these people who think global warming has anything to do with humans are retarded. like, seriously mentally handicapped.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 408 Posts
Friday, September 27, 2013 7:25:16 PM
@Gauddith:
It boils down to this. "Skeptics" (which they're not) argue that it can't be real. You ask why, or for evidence and they give you the following:

* An op-ed article which takes original data and severely skewers it
* Evidence that actually supports global warming - yet they can't figure out how or why
* LIBERAL CONSPIRACY
* Because I say so

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