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Bad Guy NASA? [Pic]

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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 5:49:49 PM
@Squrlz

I was about to launch into a primer on the key economics terms *investment* and *research*, but no need.

Not quite. The original post (Jens statements) had nothing to do with perceived gains from research. They dealt with realized gains and losses; her statements regarding such are completely untrue.

Speculating is not the same or even equivalent to realized gains and losses.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 5:48:01 PM
@Gauddith

why did you even point out I had $100 dollars?

So that we knew how much total money the society (you + me) had to begin with and how much we ended with. We started with $1100 and ended with $1100; you spent time and I spent resources to get us to that point.

Because you somehow spent nothing on resources to get the gold bars

They were part of my total wealth. I really think that was clear.

Now, as for the information, you've gone well beyond the scope of Jens statement. I happen to agree that we should spend money researching.

Jens implied statement, however, was that ALL of the spent wealth is returned to the economy; my argument is that her implication is patently false. Additionally, you've made some huge leaps of faith "guestimating" perceived information gains.


Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 5:46:41 PM
Gauddith nailed it.

I was about to launch into a primer on the key economics terms *investment* and *research*, but no need. Gauddith hit the nail on the head. You go, girl!

Gauddith
Female, 18-29, Western US
 226 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 5:39:05 PM
Screw it let me use your hilarious scenario to tell you why I think you are stupid.

So now I have $200 dollars, (why did you even point out I had $100 dollars?) And you have $900 dollars, (Because you somehow spent nothing on resources to get the gold bars?) And you've thrown the gold into the ocean. Now the gold bars are telling you about the ocean floor, they are taking record of all the possible resources and interesting scientific finds that they come acros. You, being a responsible businessman have take the initiative to make this information available to the general public. Now you are getting money from other people for more information, the promise of further in depth research of something those gold bars found. Now you've got $5000 in grants and funding making it so you can employ more people to help you get more gold bars so you can do more awesome things and make more helpful discoveries.

In the end, everyone wins. Even though the gold is gone we still win.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 5:34:45 PM
@Gauddith

Protip, I totes know what I think on the matter, I just don't want to get into a pointless argument on the internet.

Oh, gotcha. How terribly clever of you! Calling someone out without any reasoning and then refusing to justify your own statements - very crafty. If only I were so cunning.

ProTip: Currency is a tool to measure wealth (think Celsius, Kelvin); by itself, it is not wealth (think temperature). You probably missed that day of Econ 101. No big deal.

Gauddith
Female, 18-29, Western US
 226 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 5:28:49 PM
You've oversimplified this so hardcore it's actually kind of funny. This is why I think you're high.

Protip, I totes know what I think on the matter, I just don't want to get into a pointless argument on the internet. I'd much rather laugh at your horrid oversimplification of the concept of wealth and how we should be spending it.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 5:09:22 PM
@Gauddith

Actually, let's just talk about how "stupid" - as you've so tactfully put it - Jens argument is (by extension, your argument).

Let's say I have 100 gold bars behind a rock wall. I also have $1000 and you have $100. I pay you $100 to labor through the rock and get the gold bars for me.

I then turn around and throw the gold bars in the ocean.

Between the two of us, we still only have $1100 (you have $200 and I have $900); now though, we don't have any gold bars.

You call this a net-zero and then call me stupid? Brilliant.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 5:04:15 PM
@Gauddith

So, do you actually have anything you disagree with and would like me to clarify? Or, do you just disagree and don't know why you disagree?

I suspect it's the latter. Either way, I'd be happy to give you an economics lesson if you'd like.

LandoGriffin
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4800 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 5:00:57 PM
I love Jens' first comment. The money was spent paying the scientists who design the craft, the manufacturers who built it, the miners who labored to accumulate the raw materials, etc.

Gauddith
Female, 18-29, Western US
 226 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 4:58:21 PM
Human action are you just really really high? Like really super high? Can I have some of whatever it is you're high on? I'd really like to be that stupid for a moment.

Please be high.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 4:51:06 PM
@Tacos4Brkfst

Rare earth's... are only 'rare' on earth.

OK... and the more we take from Earth and send to Mars, the scarcer they become on Earth. Unless, of course, you've figured out the secret to retrieving them from Mars?!

Seriously though, I'm not sure what your point is.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 4:41:31 PM

Space & science research always pays off. In 1897 when JJ Thompson discovered the electron they didn't know 100 years later the world would run on electron-ics. How does that space rover help the little guy on Earth? Here's how...

How about the satellites that transmit your cell phone signals? Magnetic Resonance Imaging in the hospitals that detect disease. Ultra sound technologies. The plastics that are in artificial valves and pacemakers. Longer lasting batteries. Navigation in your car.... I could go on forever but you get the gist.

One of Obombas worst decisions was to gut the space program.

Tacos4Brkfst
Male, 18-29, Western US
 605 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 4:39:14 PM
Rare earth's... are only 'rare' on earth.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 4:36:52 PM
@morimacil123

Which is people here on earth getting paid.

I had hoped everyone would understand that by "rare Earth metals" I meant wealth of the vehicle. Since that is apparently less obvious than I had hoped, please allow me to clarify.

The total wealth of the vehicle, including materials and time, are now on Mars. Time is an asset that has intrinsic value, and, therefore, is a form of wealth.

morimacil123
Male, 18-29, Europe
 171 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 4:29:24 PM
The "rare earth metals" dont cost 2.4 billion, its the reasearch and manufacturing that costs a ton. Which is people here on earth getting paid.

RoboPatton
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2429 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 4:20:57 PM
"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

-That guy who took us to the moon. AKA, JFK.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 4:12:19 PM
While she's technically correct that the "money" doesn't go to Mars, the wealth does. So, to recap, we keep the paper, and Mars gets the rare Earth metals.

Basically, she's an idiot.

fuad119
Male, 18-29, Asia
 141 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 3:47:53 PM
The 'lol' at the end was unnecessary..

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 3:42:06 PM
This is a great example of dichotomy in America.

Some people think spending money on science is bad while spending money on religion and war is good.

Some people are the opposite.

g3n3r1k
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 230 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 3:32:33 PM
haha i laughed when i read the title "no hope for humanity". damn, i thought funding space programs was gonna help humanity.

spanerbulb
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1247 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 3:06:53 PM
Good point, well made. The reply that is not the original idiot post.

B-diddy
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
 185 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 6:35:03 PM
Link: Bad Guy NASA? [Pic] [Rate Link] - No. Good guy Jens!

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