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Iraq Veteran Arrested By Cops Over Therapy Dog

Hits: 4534 | Rating: (3.5) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: MrOrange
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Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1952 Posts
Sunday, September 15, 2013 6:29:27 AM
All police are corrupt.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 375 Posts
Sunday, September 15, 2013 6:07:59 AM
>do too
do not

>So what you're saying is any utility used by the public is public property? Riiiight

I could have written that clearer, I meant to say the ulitity is public, because you said it wasn't. And seperately repeat that it was public property, because you said it wasn't.


>Nope. He provided paperwork to show his dog was a therapy animal. As I said...big difference.

By guidelines you do not even need documentation. Its just easier to keep it for situations such as this. as long as the dog is trained to assist a disabled person in 1 or more tasks it is a service animal.

Tupinambis
Male, 18-29, Western US
 566 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 8:49:19 PM
I'm surprised the dog wasn't shot to death by the first Pig. Let 'em hang.

oobaka
Male, 40-49, Canada
 603 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 8:27:57 PM
osirisascend
at what point did he have control of the dog? When he ran towards the officer?
and as PDT mentioned he didn't call his dog a service dog. He called it a therapy dog. Bit of a difference. Look it up.

>Do not
Do too

>Public utility; public property
So what you're saying is any utility used by the public is public property? Riiiight

>He then provided the police with paperwork to >show the status of his dog as a service animal.
Nope. He provided paperwork to show his dog was a therapy animal. As I said...big difference.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2337 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 6:54:07 AM
I too find myself agreeing with OldOllie, scary as it is. You are given authority and power by the state to protect and serve the public, if you fail to do so, or worse abuse that power you should be punished. (and this goes for any person in a position of authority serving the public)

Tekinette
Male, 30-39, Europe
 270 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 6:39:20 AM
Of course the cops will just get a warning or something, as long as they're treated as if they are above the law, they'll act like it.

robthelurker
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2276 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 5:02:00 AM
you may have every right to ask an officer their badge number, but in my experience, that does nothing but piss the cops off.

Sleepyhallow
Male, 50-59, Western US
 1826 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:27:48 AM
I find myself in the uncomfortable position of being 100% in agreement with Old Ollie.
::shudder::
I feel odd

@PTD ~ Wow! Your first post and already I hate you. You are a 1st Class a s s.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14376 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 12:50:42 AM
This $#!+ will not end till we put till we start these thug cops in prison for felony armed criminal action.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 375 Posts
Saturday, September 14, 2013 12:38:31 AM
@pdf, from http://www.ada.gov/qasrvc.htm
A: Some, but not all, service animals wear special collars and harnesses.

While you are correct that dogs that only provide emotional support are not considered service animals, his calling his dog a therapy dog does not mean it was not a service dog. Those with physical disabilities are not the only ones that can require assistance. Service dogs can also perform tasks to help with a psychiatric condition. For example a dog could be trained to deal with anxiety attacks of a PSTD sufferer.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 11:49:06 PM

Bottom line, the guy wasn't hurting anyone and just wanted to board a trolley. It took 6 police thugs to make sure that didn't happen.

freddyferret
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 11734 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 10:18:12 PM
Cops are the biggest pieces of sh*t on the planet. I would rather be surrounded by gang members than cops, I'd be safer. I have no respect for cops because they rarely have respect for anyone else. My kids saw a cop breaking the law recently. A minor one, but I still had to explain to them that cops can basically do whatever they want. They might get arrested outside of their own jurisdiction, maybe. But on home turf, they'd have to kill someone or rob a bank to have any chance of getting in trouble.

Cops suck. Period.

PDT
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 9:44:47 PM
As a disabled person who uses a guide dog everyday, I will say the police were correct here. He called his service dog a "therapy dog". Therapy dogs are not recognized as sercice dogs under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). A true service dog would have had a vest identifying him as such. If he was asked to leave he should have left. He may sue and win, and if he does win, it is a true disservice to all assistance animal users! Before you reply hatefully, I do know and teach ADA law to consumers and businesses.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3667 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 9:27:22 PM

Cops. Put yourself in the position of a citizen being approached by a cop. It's easy to say "bruising is common when being restrained".
Maybe, there wasn't a reason to restrain. There were a thousand ways to resolve the situation without tackling a citizen...an American. The same which cops are supposed to serve.

The cops don't look for a peaceful, simple resolution. They amplify the situation, and assert their dominance.

It's soooooooo easy to say "he shoulda did whatever the cop wanted." How about "the cop should have respect for his god given, constitutional rights as a citizen...and the basic respect of a human who doesn't have to kiss ass when they haven't done anything wrong.

Bordon of proof is on the one making the accusation.

osirisascend
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 3022 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 7:17:20 PM
@ oobaka: kree is correct. Notice the dog in my profile pic? Trained service dog. Explosive detection to be exact. He is not required to be leashed in public as long as I am capable of controlling him through verbal commands or hand signals.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 375 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 6:15:27 PM
>In public, they do.
Do not

> The property is owned by MTS. San Diego Metropolitan Transit System. So, not public property.
Public utility; public property

>Nope. He let his unrestrained pit bull approach a police officer.
He then provided the police with paperwork to show the status of his dog as a service animal.

>He DID do something legally wrong which has already been covered previously.
He did not, and you did not.

>Take another look. Pay close attention to 1:08.
See how he tried to pull his arm away?
Officer may not touch a citizen without first getting verbal permission, or giving verbal warning of an arrest. Take another look yourself, no mouths open before he is grabbed. He is not under arrest, as he was never told he was under arrest, and he was not asked if they could touch his arm.

oobaka
Male, 40-49, Canada
 603 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 5:49:36 PM
kree_
I used to be like you. Young and thinking I knew it all.

>registered therapy animals do not require leashing
In public, they do.

>Public property
Try again. The property is owned by MTS. San Diego Metropolitan Transit System. So, not public property.

>He was in his right to stay, if the cops had left there wouldn't have been an incident either
Nope. He let his unrestrained pit bull approach a police officer. He should have been happy
that all they did was ask him to leave.

>he did nothing legally, morally, or ethically wrong.
He wasn't brutalized. He was restrained with minimum force which left minor bruising.
He DID do something legally wrong which has already been covered previously.

>No resisting of arrest was shown.
Take another look. Pay close attention to 1:08.
See how he tried to pull his arm away? THAT'S resisting arrest. He had light bruising on his arm and some injuries

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 4:47:27 PM

Sometime, somewhen there was a shift. I believe there was a time the police were there to help us, but now their mission is to control us. When they approach you are assumed to be guilty of something, they just have to find what it is. And if they don't, they just use some generic catch-all like "resisting arrest" or "obstruction".

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 375 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 4:16:51 PM

>He had a dog that was not leashed in the video before the incident. If a pit bull came at me like that, I'd be nervous.
registered therapy animals do not require leashing
>He was illegally smoking.
A statement made by the cops, no video evidence of smoking is shown
>He was asked to leave. He refused.
Public property
>If he had left, there wouldn't have been an incident.
He was in his right to stay, if the cops had left there wouldn't have been an incident either
>He caused all of it to happen.
Blaming a victim of police brutality is like blaming a victim of rape. Yes things could have been done differently for different results, but he did nothing legally, morally, or ethically wrong.
>He wasn't beaten by police. He was restrained. He resisted arrest. He got bruised up.
No resisting of arrest was shown. Restraining should not result in such wounds.
>Who wants to bet he pulled an attitude with the cops?
Not

schuey63
Male, 18-29, Europe
 181 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 2:48:52 PM
why does it matter he's a vet, I'm a vet and don't expect to be treated differently to any other civilian. this story wouldn't have run it it was a regular guy.

spanz
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 435 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 1:52:34 PM
hey I am not going to comment on the whole "therapy dog" thing. It is possible the guy really needs it due to some bad stuff in country. But if I were a cop and a pit bull lunged at me, that would be one dead pit bull. I think these cops showed remarkable restraint in not killing the dog.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4637 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 1:20:40 PM
The dog was not on a leash. Other than that, the dog was very restrained.

He was bruised, which can be expected when resisting.

If they lied about the bus card, they should be given some time off.

oobaka
Male, 40-49, Canada
 603 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 1:13:58 PM
Everybody is sh*tting on the cops, as usual
He had a dog that was not leashed in the video before the incident. If a pit bull came at me like that, I'd be nervous.
He was illegally smoking.
He was asked to leave. He refused.
If he had left, there wouldn't have been an incident.
He caused all of it to happen.
He wasn't beaten by police. He was restrained. He resisted arrest. He got bruised up.
Who wants to bet he pulled an attitude with the cops?

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3667 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 1:10:06 PM

Cops, as a group, don't deserve respect just for being a cop. They view themselves as being separate from the rest of us. Like they are better, more deserving of respect, and above the law.
I will continue to treat each man (including cops) as individuals, and with due respect...but as a whole...F#CK THE POLICE.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3667 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 1:06:53 PM

That dog wasn't acting curious and friendly.
He was hungry. He smelt bacon.

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