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Global Warming? It's Actually Getting Cooler[Pic+]

Hits: 3827 | Rating: (1.8) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: drawman61
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mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 420 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 1:53:47 PM
@Andrew155:
Your point? Should we take the consensus of AGW on people who know little about climate science? Should the consensus be based on what cancer doctors and psychiatrists think instead?

McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
 714 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 1:48:28 PM
wow they lost 7000 surveys in the mail whilst sending them out!?

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 1:43:40 PM
McDuff



McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
 714 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 1:28:41 PM


mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 420 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 11:45:54 AM
@richanddead:
Not really. Take a look at how thin the atmosphere is at 36,000 feet the next time you fly. It doesn't take much to change the climate. Look at how much we've changed the landscape around us. Now extrapolate that to the atmosphere.

DrProfessor
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 3884 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 11:32:20 AM
@Smagboy-- Remembered reading it via "I F*cking Love Science" and figured whoever posted this probably does NOT love science :p

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 11:28:38 AM
Beat me to it, DrProfessor. Good on ya!

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 11:27:07 AM
Please see here for an actual scientific and data-supported takedown of this bullpoo.

To wit: "Arctic sea ice is now 60 percent higher over August 2012 is technically true but extremely misleading. In the summer of 2012 Arctic sea ice hit a record low. Given just how extreme it was, it’s not too surprising that it would not be as extreme this year. As you can see by the graph here, the sea ice extent (which essentially represents how much area is covered by ice) was incredibly low last year and is still lower than average this year. Rose makes this seem like the ice is on a huge rebound, but it’s more like getting a D- after getting an F on a test. Sure, it’s better, but it ain’t necessarily good."

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1953 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 11:26:10 AM
@Squrlz4Sale: Firstly, thank you for knowing my name and remembering how to spell it even though I've only spelled it once on this site, most people at my job can't do that after 30 times. Kudos to you, and I'm sorry we got off on the wrong foot.

Yes I do know that graph ends in 1855, I've seen you state that before and I verified it, yet the red dotted line at the end is from current data. Current temperatures are nearly identical to that of the medieval warming period, yet the Minoan and Roman warming periods (along with several others) and even the cool periods between them were all still warmer than today and were naturally caused. That still means the earth is legitimately in a 3500 year cooling trend based on all sources.

I have to go do some work but I'll be back later.

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 11:18:34 AM
Please not this again.....
I'm not gonna go into the larger debate, but this article is stupid, and here is why..

DrProfessor
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 3884 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 11:17:06 AM
Please read this for a good explanation

Furthermore, "the BBC predicted the Arctic would be ice-free by 2013"?

Oh, you mean the news outlet chose a sensational story that would grab attention, instead of striving for scientific accuracy? Color me SHOCKED.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 10:58:36 AM
@ Richanddead: Your chart, "How global warming theorists see the world," which you've put up on IAB numerous times in an attempt to mock AGW--are you aware that it stops charting the data at 1855?

It's pretty easy to make fun of AGW scientists if you cherry pick data by simply chopping off temperatures from the past 158 years. Short explanation: The GISP2 records end at 1855 for the simple reason that it takes many decades for snow to compact into ice that can be drilled for the cores.

Now, I don't think you were trying to mislead deliberately. I think you were misled. But I think this illustrates that the internet--particularly the conservative blogosphere where you get a lot of your stuff, Diedrich--is awash with bad information presented in a misleading fashion.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 10:39:39 AM
Which all brings us to today - BBC and The Economist are examples I use of the biggest pushers of this. I gave many examples of the Economist hedging. Earlier I showed how the BBC was being apocalyptic about this, and how the Arctic would be ice free by 2013: BBC.

The tunes are changing.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 10:35:22 AM
Here's an entertaining link for our British friends.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1953 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 10:35:07 AM
"Also, you're being kind of piercing to people who disagree with you. We're happy to talk about it, though."

I'm guilty of this too, I apologize to any I offended. Definitely up for debating it though.

Nickel2
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4610 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 10:28:41 AM
Global-staying-the-same-ness.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 10:26:35 AM
It's The Economist, it's researched material written by people with access to more info than you. It shows how even the biggest pushers are hedging because the models are failing. How do you not get the point?

And I don't get the Mississippi river point. I mean, nature has a much bigger part in it than anything. For example, the river traditional represented the borders of all the states along it, but not anymore. There was an earthquake and now there is a portion of Illinois beyond it, called Kaskaskia. Part of Tennesse is West of the river (Reverie, TN) and I think even a few other points. Point is - your whole monologue about rivers is void. Nature is more powerful.

Also, you're being kind of piercing to people who disagree with you. We're happy to talk about it, though.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1953 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 10:20:18 AM
@mesovortex: There is a very very VERY big difference between diverting a river (which we've been doing for over 4000 years) and changing the climate of an entire planet into an unnatural state.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 420 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 10:15:18 AM
@Andrew155:
That's hardly a scientific link.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 420 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 10:14:56 AM
@richanddead:
You do realize manmade things can change natural events, right?

It's very bad logic to assume that because nature does something that man cannot do the same. We have changed the course of the Mississippi River, for example. We can change climate.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 10:13:43 AM
Apocolypse perhaps a little later.



richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1953 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 10:13:36 AM
@Squrlz4Sale: The key term here is "reversion to the mean"; the little ice age was very high for arctic ice. It's not surprising that an unusual amount of ice would regulate in the wake of a record high.

Despite the fact that it's been getting colder for the last 3500 years. The earth is in control of the weather not us.


How global warming theorists see the world.


Yep, definitely getting warmer...not.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 10:13:08 AM
Oh come on mesovortex, I put the BBC article there for a laugh and to show the overhyped story. And no, I remember 2007 - there was even a CNN poll that asked "Will the Arctic Ice be gone next year". A high percentage said yes. Don't be like that.

And no, we are not well aware of the natural cycles. In fact, we know so little about it. We only have 100 years of measurable data, and I dare say that only 50 of those are reliable. The one thing we have is a stark lack of data points to draw conclusions from.

Hurricanes are a good example. First GW will cause more, then it will cause less. This year almost set a record for the latest hurricane ever. We don't know nearly as much as we think we do. We are so conceited.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 420 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 10:08:50 AM
@richanddead:
Also, sea ice isn't a drop in the bucket compared to the ice caps and their total volume.

Area is not thickness and is not volume.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 420 Posts
Friday, September 13, 2013 10:07:25 AM
@richanddead:

Area is not Volume.
Area is not Volume.
Area is not Volume.
Area is not Volume.
Area is not Volume.
Area is not Volume.
Area is not Volume.

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