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This Is Why You Should Stop Tipping at Restaurants

Hits: 7855 | Rating: (2.2) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: fancylad
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MrJB
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 64 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:08:34 PM
I rarely log into sites I'm not automatically logged into, because I'm lazy.

But this warrants someone stating: Waiters make as low as 2.50 an hour.

Not tipping would literally starve them to death.

This article is dumb. The person who wrote it is dumb. I have no idea how someone can be so unaware of the world around them.

Dumb.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9567 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:30:41 PM
You son of a BITCH!

FAKEBACON
Male, 18-29, Canada
 592 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:28:15 PM
Jehovah's Witnesses are encouraged to tip 15 - 20% wherever they go.

Kegomatix
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1245 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:01:47 PM
We went out to eat on Monday night. I didn't tip.

Why? My wife had the dirty water they use to wipe up tables spilled on her arm, they didn't apologize. We were never given or even offered refills on our drinks, we had to take them up and get them ourselves. And aside from bringing us our food (you know, the very basics that they are already paid to do) our waiter didn't once check up on us.

Yea, no tip. Call me an a$$hole all you want.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2451 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:59:05 PM
These posts that try to elevate countries that are, in the grand scheme of things not so different, above one another must stop.

Our British friends are not that different. Neither are many of the other countries. Some nuances are different. Tip system is different. But the tips they get make up for the lower pay - the end salary is practically the same.


If you think our countries are so different, go back to 1914 where you belong.

Runemang
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 1635 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:54:29 PM
I tip by quality of service. I've got no problem not tipping anything for bad service and tipping 25-30% for great service.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2451 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:43:25 PM
Capt Kangaroo, no, I'm not lying. My Aunt lives in San Antonio and makes 100k waitressing. That's not average, obviously. But she's doing it. And you think I'm lying.

And my brother is married to a Norwegian who works at a Norwegian newspaper in London. She is the primary earner. He can't get a job different than what he's doing because the market is difficult. He actually can't even leave England right now because they are holding his passport.

I'm just gonna head out of here though, being accused of lying about family members means that it's pointless to be here. Go frock yourself, I would never lie about my family you pervert.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2100 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:41:12 PM
"You don't tip in Europe because the tip is already in the price of the meal. It is often referred to as Service Compris."


Not always it's not, on quite a lot of menus here in the UK you'll see 'service not included', but tbh I think that's more of a marketing ploy by a lot of restaurants to actively try and make the culture in the UK to one similar in the US where tipping is the rule rather than the exception.

Personally I think tipping for good service is your way of saying 'yeah, it really was good thank you'.... whereas in a lot of places I've been it's almost been like they think they've earned a tip as soon as you walk in the door and that is their starting point - if they drat up on service then ok they may lose some of the tip 'pot' on offer, but they think bad service is there to be deducted rather than the other way round of good service is there to be rewarded.


lukeforv123
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1022 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:36:34 PM
I don't mind tipping, but what bugs me the most is the fact that the tip is based purely on the check amount. For example, I was at Denny's a while back, had probably the best service and friendliest waitress, bill was only $12, so I tipped her $5, roughly 40%. The other day though, I was at some sushi joint where the food was so so and the service was atrocious. The bill though was $80, my girlfriend was embarrassed I didn't want to tip, so I left a lousy 6% tip which was $5. This dilemma though I guess is reason enough to do away with tipping all together. I work in the service industry and honestly couldn't care less about the size of my tip let alone if I get one. When one has a job where they are at the mercy of the kindness of complete strangers, they really have no room to complain.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2100 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:35:09 PM
(cont. from previous)


twice a night rather tip constantly every round of drinks.

Plus in the UK if you do say 'get one for yourself' to a bar worker then they're usually limited by their bosses as to what 'one for yourself' constitutes.... usually you'll get the reply 'thanks, I just take for a half pint and drink it later'.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2100 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:32:16 PM
"My brother is actually a bartender in London. He doesn't get tipped, doesn't make much. In America, he makes more. "

After living in both the UK where I'm from and the US where I frequented bars a lot I can believe that.

Even when I lived on US military bases where the cost of the booze was peanuts we still ended up paying the same as a night in a british base naafi because of the tips.

Although the measures and atmosphere were better in the US bars...but the cost of bigger measures on spirits wasn't coming out of the bartender's pocket whom everyone happily tipped a few dollars per round of drinks.

When I lived in London the bar staff were usually either foreign born and working for minimum wage or students doing the same... (aside from all the aspiring 'actresses' that work in bars the world over) except that here in the UK we'll usually tell the bar staff that serves us to 'have one for yourself too' maybe once or twice a night rather t

SCfan
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
 1818 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:55:35 PM
You don't tip in Europe because the tip is already in the price of the meal. It is often referred to as Service Compris.

Nerd_Rage
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 423 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:04:39 PM
@andrew again

Sorry for a double post

But your brother in the UK has no bearing here. Why ? they have government subsidies in place to take care of things.. Like healthcare. one of the largest expenses you have in america is health insurance, But if you work at a company that does not provide that and you arent' making at least 40 grand a year, you won't be able to afford health care, Not now, not ever. Please. Get your facts straight before you rant. You only prove that you've never worked in the service industry, Ever.

Nerd_Rage
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 423 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:02:07 PM
@andrew.. Have you ever seen the inside of a kitchen? you must be under the impression that the only people getting paid less than minimum. My friend works at SONIC drivethru and they pay her 4.25, Why? because she is a tipped employee.
In a larger establishment, some go as far as to even pay kitchen and cleaning staff under minimum, because typically , tips are divided among employees on a nightly basis. And the only reason they don't make 4 dollars an hour is BECAUSE THEY GET TIPS. So on a slow night. You will not make minimum wage. Go get a job at a restaurant and come back in here with your ridiculous information.

CaptKangaroo
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 1783 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:50:01 PM
@Andrew155- If you're gonna lie about family members in order to attempt to make a point, at least try to make it believable.
As for 'Europe' being just like America, well yeah, it has people- but they speak different languages, have different cultures/customs and in most respects is a lot different than America, just like the country's that make up the EU differ from one another.
Having said that, I hope your rich, topless waitress aunt gives financial support to your slacker brother.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2451 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:26:46 PM
Nerd Rage, that's ridiculous. No waiter makes 4 dollars an hour. You just made that up. Waiters make way more than comparable occupations, a single tip could be more than that. And it's based on how busy they are - as in you get paid more if you wait more tables. There are people who can easily make over a hundred a night in tips alone.

My brother is actually a bartender in London. He doesn't get tipped, doesn't make much. In America, he makes more.

So let's just go and make more stuff up about how waiters are making 4 dollars an hour. Because if we say it, it must be true.

Nerd_Rage
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 423 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:21:41 PM
Tipping is expected in the USA because businesses use the fact that potential tips may occur to pay their employees less than federal minimum wage. As a tipped employee you will make at least 3 dollars less per hour than the minimum wage. Companies can legally pay you less than minimum because the government permits them to. In short, Europeans pay their employees a reasonable salary for service work while USA does not.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2451 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:20:27 PM
tedgp, you just made that all up. UK salaries are not exactly "high". And the inequality (gini) coeefficient of the UK compared to America, after taxes and welfare, is really not that different..

But here's the average British wage., and here's the average American wage..

Not really that big of a deal. It's almost like all the differences between the countries are a big non-existant hernia that people turn into a mole hill.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2451 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:12:54 PM
So....tipping is racist. They actually just said that.

And guys, nobody is forcing you to tip. Ever. If you don't like the service, don't tip. Don't be a victim, nobody is forcing you. You're an individual you can make decisions. If you do like the service, tip. It's that simple.

Here's another "Europe is better than America" discussion. It's like groundhog day. You know, I've been to Europe, I've lived there. And it's really not that different. No, believe me, it's not.

But the whole premise is dumb anyways. Not all waiter jobs are the same in America, they vary CONSIDERABLY. Same in Europe (GASP!).

My Aunt is a waitress and probably takes home at least 100k a year...

tedgp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3275 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:53:55 PM
There is a reason wendy. The fact i dont want to. For exemplary service, i might do, but i come from a country that provides their workers with a decent wage. Not a country where employers underpay their workers so they are heavily reliant on tips. Then the employers take those tips, 'tax' them and give the employee what little is left.

spanz
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 274 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:48:49 PM
American restaurants pay a minimal wage, and expect the wait staff to make up the rest in tips. European restaurants charge more for their food, but pay the wait staff a fair wage. So in US, you pay the same after tipping as if you were eating in the EU.

THAT said, if I find crummy service (i.e. I wait half an hour to get a cold roll or water), you are not getting a tip out of me! Do a good job, and you will get 20%

Wendypants
Female, 30-39, Canada
 1936 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:43:41 PM
When going through a drive-thru, getting pick-up/take out, or when restaurant service is absolutely terrible or non-existent then (and ONLY then) don't tip... there is no excuse for not tipping at (basically) all other times.
(Unless you're a complete prick, then feel free to not tip a waiter/waitress).

littleoracle
Female, 30-39, Midwest US
 281 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:40:21 PM
I love that when I visited England. Tipping is everywhere here in the states And it's Obnoxious. Why do I have to tip at my ice cream parlor? The excessive tipping demands I see everywhere tells me employers don't know how to pay their employees And that employers just want cheap labor and leave it up to the customers to pay their employees. That sucks.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33696 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:39:46 PM

We tip for better service. We tip because it's part of the culture. The waitress's pay scale is absurdly low because it's assumed she'll live on the tips she makes. If we all stop tipping you won't save money, the restaurant will have to up her pay and up the menu price.


bacon_pie
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2819 Posts
Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:29:48 PM
I'll stop tipping when restaurants pay the waitstaff more than $2.13.

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