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The 9% Who Are In Favor Of Bombing Syria [Pic]

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richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2228 Posts
Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:58:20 AM
"Only the dead have seen the end of war"
-George Santayana

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2228 Posts
Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:47:43 AM
Meanwhile you trade heavily with the very enemies you claim to be placing sanctions on and trade lethal chemicals used in chemical weapons to countries accused of chemical attacks despite being part of the CWC.
And you intervene just as much as we do, all over the world with your "non-mercenary" mercenaries like the French Foreign legion, the Gurkhas, Sandline International, Erinys International, Aegis Defence Services, ect. And pay many others from other countries like Executive Outcomes in Africa, in places like Mali, Chad, Afghanistan, Iraq and over a dozen African countries. You just don't report their deaths or any collateral damage in your casualties or recognize the engagements you use them in, because that would show your utter hypocrisy. Hell you just finish "Operation Serval" in 2013 in which you guys used a bunch of them to do your dirty work. Get a clue, your enemies don't just go home when your don't deal with them.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2228 Posts
Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:47:33 AM
@dirtysteve00: "weakest counterpoint"

Nice cherry picking, that wasn't my counter point, the point is his election was internationally seen as rigged. The political corruption there was the whole point that started the civil war. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of protesters, including sunni's who disagree with the Alawite, even sat in the central Square of Homs calling for the resignation of President Bashar al-Assad. When I mentioned we were a republic, I was commenting on your lack of knowledge on this country.

"You would ... no good resolution."

We have conducted lots of foreign interventions, sometimes it goes well sometimes it doesn't. But we at least try to help people. Europe treats us like the UN's own personal army, and begs us to get into engagements like Libya. Then you criticize us for interventions that you participated in, but didn't have the stomach to go it alone.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:11:33 AM
@ Kvetcher: My pleasure. I know little about the topic, in all honesty. I just think it's intriguing that oil industry insiders seem to think Syria may have some significant petroleum deposits just waiting to be explored. The general line in the mainstream media is that Syria's oil deposits are paltry and of little significance. That may be true of its land-based deposits; offshore deposits may be another story.

dirtysteve00
Male, 30-39, Europe
 375 Posts
Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:36:03 AM
richandead - '. Also we are not a democracy, we are a republic'

That has to be the weakest counterpoint I've ever seen on this site, and that's saying something.

' and yes we take dictators who shoot at unarmed high schoolers and gas their own people out of power. '

Sometimes, when it suits you.

'I would have gone in years ago before the bodies even piled up and when we could have prevented the Muslim brotherhood or Al Qaeda from joining the Rebels'

You would have been drating nuts to try it. Jihadists will show up wherever the US goes in the middle east, it would have been another quagmire with no good resolution.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5745 Posts
Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:17:21 AM
This isn't about oil, it's about power and politics. Syria is one of two Shia-governed nations in the middle east. The other is Iran. So part of wanting to overthrow the Shia dictatorship is to weaken Iran and replace the Shia with the Sunni rebels (West likes Sunni more than Shia for several reasons), but the Sunni rebels are basically Islamic extremists and connected to terrorists.

There is also a lot in this for Russia. In Tartus, Syria hosts the sole remaining Russian naval base on the Mediterranean, so without that base, Russia would have to send its ships the long way around to get to the Mediterranean. So the US also wants to weaken Russian naval power and trading ports.

Like I said, it's all about power and politics, not chemical weapons or oil.

kvetcher
Male, 50-59, Europe
 179 Posts
Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:59:23 AM
@Squrlz4Sale
Thanks for your interesting post and links. Sorry for not replying sooner, due to time zones and sleep and work. I would like Davymid's input, as of course, there is more than meets the eye here. If the US is heading for energy self-sufficency due to shale, though, does it need this hassle?
The Chinese are obvious customers, and that accounts for their interest in keeping in with Assad Jr.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15102 Posts
Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:37:38 AM
Because Bush's bumbling f***tard approach to Middle East foreign policy was so much better.

As I recall, Bush won 2 wars and established the only 2 democracies in the history of the Muslim world (which Obama has pretty well pissed away). All Obama has done has been to encourage Muslim countries to be taken over by radical Islamists, and now he just became Putin's little bitch. The guy's a SCOAMF.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15102 Posts
Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:30:10 AM
But Bomb Them So Halliburton Earns More was exactly Chaney's foreign policy.

Except that Cheney divested himself lf all his Halliburton holdings before he even took office. Also, Halliburton sold off its KBR division, the one that had the contract for services in Iraq, because it was their least profitable division. So Cheney is actually TWICE removed from Halliburton.

So, what was the horrible crime against humanity that KBR committed? It seems that some low-level clerk back stateside keyed in the single bottle price for bottled water instead of the case price. What's really funny though, even at the single bottle price, having to ship it over 5000 miles, truck it several hundred more miles across a desert in a war zone, the price was still cheaper than you would pay at the 7-11 for the same bottle of water.

BTW, when they found the error, they refunded the difference. Would you rather have had the board of directors crucified?

Sleepyhallow
Male, 50-59, Western US
 1912 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:39:44 PM
@ Ollie ~ Because Bush's bumbling f***tard approach to Middle East foreign policy was so much better.

Moron.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:12:28 PM

OldOllie, Chaney would only disapprove for the cameras. A republican can never approve of a democrat. But Bomb Them So Halliburton Earns More was exactly Chaney's foreign policy.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15102 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:57:43 PM
I doubt seriously that Cheney would approve of Obama's bumbling f***tard approach to Middle East foreign policy.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26654 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:40:53 PM
Dick Cheney? How about Bill Clinton? He did the same in Serbia when he invaded... and the Clintons do indeed own a lot of Halliburton stock...

@kvetcher: Yes Syria has "some oil" but Americans get almost ZERO of it! 3/4 goes to Europe (iirc), someone put up an excellent pie-chart before, hope they do again!)

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:39:02 PM
@ Kvetcher (cont'd): One more link, which wouldn't fit into my previous post.

Link 3

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:37:50 PM
@ Kvetcher: From what I've been reading, before the current conflict, Syria was about to begin offshore oil exploration in the Mediterranean. Exploration of the area (and the auction of rights) has been put on hold. But most geologists think it's "a gold mine" (to quote from one article).

One IABer who could probably offer some insight is our mod Davymid, who holds a PhD in geology and specializes in petroleum exploration. (IAB is very lucky to have him, IMHO.)

Link 1

Link 2


kvetcher
Male, 50-59, Europe
 179 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:48:34 AM
Syria does not have oil - it's 35th in the world rankings for proven reserves. (UK's 32, Denmark's 44 and Australia's 29, by the way)

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3833 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:47:36 AM


richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2228 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:42:09 AM
But why should I believe that the international community would stick their necks out for anybody but themselves. It's always leads to peace and harmony in the end, right.

"After all, who remembers the Armenians."
-Adolf Hitler

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2228 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:34:54 AM
@dirtysteve00:

"So the US should decide who the world's leaders are? American 'democracy'."

Yes, I'm sure he would win the popular vote in his country. Despite they were branded "a sham," "rigged," and "bordering on ludicrous" by the international community. Also we are not a democracy, we are a republic, and yes we take dictators who shoot at unarmed high schoolers and gas their own people out of power.

"Yes, he should stick to murdering them with conventional weapons."

You're the one advocating letting him continue, I've been clear in multiple posts that I would have gone in years ago before the bodies even piled up and when we could have prevented the Muslim brotherhood or Al Qaeda from joining the Rebels. But no, people felt it wasn't our issue then either and so it bloomed into the devastation we see today.

slut_etta
Female, 50-59, Southern US
 3461 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:50:52 AM
why can't we just mind our own damned business? i don't see the possibility of any other country intervening in the case of a U.S. civil war. so why should we be the peacemakers? hasn't history shown us the errors of our ways?

dirtysteve00
Male, 30-39, Europe
 375 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:38:39 AM
Andrew155 A war of aggression. 'is a military conflict waged without the justification of self-defense'

Syria is no threat to the US.

dirtysteve00
Male, 30-39, Europe
 375 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:37:27 AM
'who was never groomed for a role as a leader and I see as a loose cannon'

So the US should decide who the world's leaders are?
American 'democracy'.

' some others simply feel there needs to be reaction to the use of chemical weapons on civilians. '

Yes, he should stick to murdering them with conventional weapons.

Syrisa isn't Iraq, you haven't had ten years of sanctions to starve them, go in, and it'll be another drating disaster.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2228 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:23:15 AM
I'm one of the 9%, and I don't think any of this applies to the people who want intervention. Most want it with regards to how Iran will view our resolve, some others simply feel there needs to be reaction to the use of chemical weapons on civilians.

I personally want intervention to control the rebels and how they fight, as well as taking out Assad, who was never groomed for a role as a leader and I see as a loose cannon. He was had to take the role of leader when his brother died, not because people trusted him or had confidence in his decision making.
Also I feel that the economic impact to us of dealing with the repercussions to our allies, to how we deal with Iran and Egypt, and if the Muslim Brotherhood acquires the biological or chemical weapons in Damascus, will be far greater than the economic impact of letting our CIA loose in Syria.

That being said I'm not in favor of a Tomahawk missile strike.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:52:40 AM
Hey buddy, if you look at the intentions, the war would not be a war of aggression. It would be a dumb war, but not a war of aggression. Maybe if we made Syria a 51st state against their will. I mean, we get literally no benefit. We don't get money (we lose it), we lose people, we lose power, we don't get any new resources. It's completely different from what normal happens in an actual war of aggression. Do you know what that term means?

And no, Syria does not have oil. It has oil in the same sense that Denmark or Australia has oil, as in barely.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12741 Posts
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:22:40 AM
BTW, Syria has oil, but hasn't sold it overseas for two years due to sanctions.

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