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Why Do Tests On Animals? [Pic]

Hits: 10043 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: Weird | Added by: Sweepofdeath
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tommy2X4
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3383 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 10:52:17 PM
That's what Hitler thought of the Jews and many others. But he had them experimented on and advanced medicine significantly. (True Story)

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 10:42:43 PM

@ Turd - I'm not sure I made my point clear. I was referencing someone else who treated criminals as less-than-human... at their level. I hate the bitches but intellectually I hold a higher standard. Justice makes mistakes and we cannot treat them as less than human. If you treat a killer the way they treated their victims {as things to be used} then you are no better than the killer himself. We have to be better than them if we want to look down on them.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3776 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 10:27:03 PM

Gerry - Like you, I don't think of the worst criminals as "human". I desperately want to say we should treat them however suits society.

Don't be a Bush #2. Don't s#it on the bill of rights, and the constitution.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:32:33 PM

drawman,
"But the ones on death row are just costing you money. This would be perfect to make them useful to society."

They're not people... they're things to be used

THAT is what they were convicted of. They raped and killed people that they didn't consider "worthy". So you are right at their level, aren't you.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3776 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 8:47:08 PM

aliyahg1979 - We all know that criminals loose many rights when the become criminals. The bill of rights specificaly gives the right against cruel and/or unusual punishment to criminals.

Murder and attempted murder is worse than rape. The only way of comparing the two is with your emotions. If rape is so horrible, we can start putting victims out of their misery...According to your argument, we should euthanize rape, kidnap victims, and others like them...But I doubt they want that.

Plus...that whole nonsense you emotionaly spouted about acid and fire would be considered ATTEMPTED MURDER!!! Try making some sense. Start by throwing your emotins in the garbage. We don't throw people in jail because of emotions, otherwise I would have you throw in jail for annoying me with nonsense.

aliyahg1979
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 245 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:35:10 PM
@tburglar

I guess to you a murderer can produce more damage than someone who pours acid on someone and light them on fire and the vicctim survives, but barely and is barely functioning mentally and physically. Or someone who keeps a child who he kidnapped off the street in a locked basement for over 20 years and sexually and physically abusing them.

There are far more worst things than death, but the ones that do take lives, the violent temper and no reguard for human life are not normal everyday citizens who just happen to wake up one day and say, "I think I'll kill someone today!" They moved up from more hanious crimes.

aliyahg1979
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 245 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:24:34 PM
The moment they decided to destroy a life for their own amusement is the moment they gave up their rights. It is like when someone commits murder, they give up their right do anything but to rot in jail. No more voting or owning a gun... aren't those basic rights in the U.S.?

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3776 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:15:26 PM

aliyahg1979 - Basic human rights concerning cruel and/or unusual punishment are forbidden by our constitution.

Your emotions do not give you the right to torture others, including criminals. Doing so makes you a criminal, subject to the same torture.

Take emotions out of the equation. It's sad that you focus so much anger on rapists, with no mention of murderers. With out emotions, the two crimes are not even in the same ballpark.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:11:19 PM
By the way, elkingo, the Universal declaration of human rights says all humans are BORN equal. It's flimsy language that could be interpreted as you can lose that equality through your own actions.

The main reasoning against it is that you could castrate an innocent man.

llaa
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1118 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:00:45 PM
Eh No. What kind of people would be hired to administer the testing chemicals? That's a pretty rough job, blinding humans that can speak and conversate with you. I dont think there would be many hires of sane people to perform such tests on a human being; rapist or not. You'd have to be sick in the head to apply for a job performing such experiments.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3671 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:59:57 PM
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3671 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:58:47 PM
@aliyahg1979 - my guess is that you were, and ignore the fact that they are still humans that have laws to protect them. sickening...

aliyahg1979
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 245 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:54:17 PM
@elkingo

My guess is that you were never sexual abused because you address these monstrous pedirasts in the same light as having "human rights" as the people who have never harmed a soul. Sickening...

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3776 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:22:59 PM

3002-3038 - It's getting pretty sad when you mention in every comment "I'm in the military".

I'm not sure I even believe you. On the off chance you are, I've held off a bit, but screw that. Go fu*k yourself. Our servicemen (past and present) don't deserve to be lumped in with a idiot like you. God bless our servicemen and women...but screw you.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3733 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:15:11 PM
Hey, I know that guy! I was hanging out with him and all the other guys at NYHC Tattoo back in June before they went on tour in Europe. He's a good man, and a NYHC legend.

Back on the topic, I agree with what he has to say about this. Society has no other use for pedophiles & sex offenders so we might as well get something out of them by using them as guinea pigs.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3671 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:01:21 PM
Why not? How about because we aren't animals who deny people basic human rights?

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 5:34:01 PM
As for any of these punishments - they seem good in theory. It might feel good to have murderers and rapists suffer a bit. But, like the death penalty, if this stuff is permanent, then it's inhumane to do it when there is a risk that anyone might be irreversibly harmed.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 5:31:10 PM
3002 - More men are raped in the military.

And you being in the military doesn't change anything. I spent 18 years in that community, my father commanded a base. I was neighbors with Petraeus. It doesn't make my statistics more or less correct.

So, you're wrong.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6206 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:57:25 PM
But the ones on death row are just costing you money. This would be perfect to make them useful to society.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3776 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:29:54 PM

3002-3038 - You must be the complete authority when it comes to ANYTHING concerning the military.

Did you just make up that stat, or did you google it. Either way, You have proven to be a dips#it, unworthy of being taken seriously.

Shelworth
Male, 50-59, Western US
 340 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:28:15 PM
I have often thought the same thing, also when I hear of someone needing an organ transplant I think of all the organs going to waste in prisons.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14830 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:18:43 PM
No, the justice system is far too flawed to do anything so permanent. Which is partly why I'm against the death penalty.

Gerry, that's the ONLY reason I'm against the death penalty, but it's reason enough.

On the other hand, a little bit of pharmaceutical testing or practice surgery never hurt anyone...or at least not much, anyway.

Crabes
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1050 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 3:58:58 PM
finally something we can all agree on!

TheZigRat
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 1670 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 3:46:42 PM
@ Andrew Its not a far leap from treating criminals as meat to treating anyone those in power deam as undesirable as meat. It is just a matter of degree. Where does Society draw the line. Where does it get the right to say one life is more valuable than another except in certain and few exceptions?

jops360
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 612 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 3:46:13 PM
by todays practices even being arrested for a crime, like rape, has that same outcome of being convicted. crap even looking like the person can whined up getting you killed by some backwoods avenger. the justice system is flawed to the point that they dont care as long as someone takes the fall and thats why i agree with Gerry on this one. it might take an entire lifetime but there is always a chance that the person convicted has a chance of being not guilty.

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