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Why Do Tests On Animals? [Pic]

Hits: 10027 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: Weird | Added by: Sweepofdeath
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aliyahg1979
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 226 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 11:28:12 AM
@patchgrabber

I was just using the 5 year term as an example to show that not all trials which are short termed are any more beneficial than the long term trials.

The whole testing on animals thing is really quite awful especially when these innocent and defenseless animals are bred to be experimented on. I could barely stand to look at one photo of such atrocities.

As far as people who have committed heinous crimes, I bet they didn't stop to think about the person who they were going to mutilate's human rights and their suffering, you know?

I've come in contact with a few individuals in my day who exhibited such high support for violent criminals (like murderers and rapists) and their human rights that their defensive nature was a bit alarming. One of such individuals later killed two people himself, while the other two are serving time in prison for assault with a deadly weapon, kidnapping and multiple sexual assault charges.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5692 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 10:50:44 AM
which requires test subjects to be observed for a 5 years period to see all the possible aftereffects and reactions.

Why 5 years? Seems fairly arbitrary considering that many effects take longer than five years to present. Not to mention that pharmaceutical research is already a very lengthy process. There really aren't enough long-term problems with current pharmaceutical standards to necessitate a post-approval-review-before-release strategy. There is no point.

Having them just rot in jail seems like too much of a waste.

While I may agree that the current prison system is not very effective, these are still people, and if you knew what we do to lab animals you wouldn't think it appropriate to do to people either.

“You can judge a society by how well it treats its prisoners."

-Fyodor Dostoevsky

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3621 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 10:38:09 AM
I've always liked George Carlin's idea about how to get rid of these people.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10227 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 10:31:17 AM
@drawman

The fact that you're accusing me of trolling just goes to show the intellectual hole you've dug yourself. Bad enough you honestly believe that the moon landings were faked and now THIS

Stormith
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 543 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 10:07:28 AM
They won't do it because it's "unethical" even though the government is willing to torture POW's who may not have even been directly involved with any violent or terrorist acts. It's all a drating double standard that people have, I agree that we should test on criminals though. Make them put on makeup or get minor colds

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 5491 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 9:58:44 AM
cajun: Which comes at the cost of their privacy, and autonomy. Doesn't matter how well you treat someone incarceration is an injury.

Boo f****** hoo! You're just trolling now, aren't you? That or you're posting from death row yourself. What cost the victims?? Death in many cases and you're fretting about the privacy of some stain on humanity. Definitely trolling.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10227 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 9:25:15 AM
you do realize that judges, attorneys, juries and prosecutors are bias?


Of course they are biased, victims are biased thus there needs to be the bias of attorneys and judges to counter it.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10227 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 9:23:24 AM
They never have to worry about food or paying the bills, dental and medical come standard and they even receive organ transplants!


Which comes at the cost of their privacy, and autonomy. Doesn't matter how well you treat someone incarceration is an injury.

I feel like I'm the freed prisoner in the Allegory of the Cave trying to explain a world which exists beyond their view of sight, but it is falling on deaf ears.


Yes I feel enlightened by my own emotional pain.

Why should innocent people die during drug trials when we have plenty of degenerates locked away?


Because honest, voluntary, (and most importantly clean) humans make are the best test subjects for any medicine meant for humans.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10227 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 9:18:10 AM
you do realize that judges, attorneys, juries and prosecutors are bias? You make it seem like the people you mentioned above who do this as a job are somehow emotionally sterile and act without any prejudice like Judge Dredd, right?


You suffer from the delusion that every wrong criminals inflict should justify all wrongs inflicted against them. No one is perfect, but you don't become less of a human for any crime you commit.

You're confusing a dictatorship with being fair to law abiding citizens.


You're distorting the definition of 'fair' to promote a system that would be too easily abused by the same vile creatures you complain about.

aliyahg1979
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 226 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 8:35:29 AM
@patchgrabber

I see longevity as a positive aspect as for example a new drug comes out, say a Prozac cousin of sorts, which requires test subjects to be observed for a 5 years period to see all the possible aftereffects and reactions.

Have you seen those commercials for prescription medications where the announcer goes, "do you have arthritis? try this pill!" then you hear the adverse reactions: may cause rupture of bowels, loss of vision, thoughts of suicide, paralysis and death.

Those seem fun don't they? But in all seriousness, it is very much not about revenge, but utilizing these individuals for something which is beneficial, since they have failed in every way to contribute to society in a civil manner.

Having them just rot in jail seems like too much of a waste. Why should innocent people die during drug trials when we have plenty of degenerates locked away?

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5692 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 8:24:10 AM
While ostensibly this may seem like a good idea, it is not practical or useful. In an ideal world we would be able to test all things on people, in order to avoid issues with validity. There's really no end to what you can do when you throw human pain and suffering at it.

However, the problems are too many. Short lifespans of animals are very beneficial. Humans in prisons are not great test subjects; they often have substance abuse problems, or other diseases and ailments that would prevent meaningful research from being useful. Also, one of the main reasons animals are used is to ensure safety for people.

Basically, this is just a recipe for revenge pr0n.

aliyahg1979
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 226 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 7:42:53 AM
@drawman61

Thank you. I feel like I'm the freed prisoner in the Allegory of the Cave trying to explain a world which exists beyond their view of sight, but it is falling on deaf ears.


aliyahg1979
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 226 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 7:36:35 AM
@Cajun

you do realize that judges, attorneys, juries and prosecutors are bias? You make it seem like the people you mentioned above who do this as a job are somehow emotionally sterile and act without any prejudice like Judge Dredd, right?

Another delusion you seem to have is the notion that you have a say-so in how "your" tax dollars are spent. If that were the case, then every single person who opposed war would withdraw "their" tax dollars from the military budget in a heartbeat.

We live in a day and age where imprisoned felons have a better quality of life than most law abiding citizens. They never have to worry about food or paying the bills, dental and medical come standard and they even receive organ transplants!
Death-Row inmate organ transplant


drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 5491 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 7:36:06 AM
McDuff, it's not about tyranny and it's not about inflicting anything on anyone other than the vile creatures that don't want to act like the rest of the human race. You're confusing a dictatorship with being fair to law abiding citizens.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10227 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 7:07:49 AM
No emotional factor right?


Yes it will be up to ME alone to decide how tax dollars are spent on how this ONE individual shall be treated. Because
I
have been emotionally compromised by that person's wrongdoing.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10227 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 7:00:51 AM
How can one be concerned with matters which are not near and dear?


One does not have to be close to those affected to have an informed opinion on the matter, otherwise people like "judges", "attorneys", "juries", or "prosecutors" wouldn't have any meaning in a society. If we had it your way we should straight up legalize honor killings.

aliyahg1979
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 226 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 6:45:29 AM
Acid thrown on woman, then covered in petrol and set on fire

Man beats and rapes two developmentally challanged daghters for 41 years

These things happen, not just fiction.

McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
 656 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 6:42:47 AM
drawman61 all people are afforded the protections to prevent tyranical governments deciding as was mentioned earlier imposing unfair and cruel treatment on whomever they wish, thats the point of a Constitution or Human rights, as distasteful as it may seem protecting criminals means its also protecting you me and any other law abiding citizen.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 5491 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 6:32:59 AM
aliyahg, brilliantly said. But it's a sad state of affairs when you have to break it down like this for people to get it.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 5491 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 6:29:36 AM
McDuff, I accept why these laws are in place. But surely it's for the protection of decent law-abiding people like you or me or the majority of society for that matter. These people chose to do something outside of these laws that the rest of us are happy to live by. I don't get why you want to protect these people with these same laws. They have behaved inhumanely to their victims, to society. Why is it always the decent folk that have to suffer more than them? I stand by my belief.

aliyahg1979
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 226 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 6:28:03 AM
@ tburglar

How can one be concerned with matters which are not near and dear? They cannot, ergo the "emotional factor" only seems amplified to those who have not been personally affected.

Say we take the child molestation out of the picture (since not everyone has a child), but lets say it happened to your mother. What if she was suddenly attacked in her home, raped, beaten and left for dead (but never intended on killing her, just beating her to a bloody pulp), but survived. She was technically not murdered, so I'm assuming by your words the assailant (if ever caught) will be viewed by you as just another citizen with his day in court,so at this point, he will just be a rapist, no harm, no foul, since he is not a murderer, right? What if he had no remorse and did it for fun? What if he looked you dead in the eyes and told you he enjoyed every bit of it? No emotional factor right?

McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
 656 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 5:51:29 AM
people have rights no matter what criminal actions they have taken, and entities like the constitution and the European Court of Human rights protect everyone all the time but you only hear about criminals using its protection because the mass media deems it newsworthy.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 5491 Posts
Monday, September 09, 2013 1:34:56 AM
aliyahg1979: Agree with you 100%. All a criminal has to do in Europe is go crying to the European court of human rights and the do-gooders bend over backwards to make sure no one hurts their feelings. If you step outside the law, the constitution or whatever you want to call it, you should no longer be protected by those same laws. Talk about having your cake and eating it.
The scum that perpetrate these crimes get more help than the women that are raped, the children that have to live with their abuse, the families of murder victims. Where are their human f***** rights. The law makers are sick.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3458 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 11:20:16 PM

Don't get me wrong...I would love to use these scum as lab rats. But, we don't act on emotions, and definitely don't use emotions to justify s#itting on the bill of rights.


turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3458 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 11:07:13 PM


Gerry - I apologize for misunderstanding your comment.

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