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Switzerland [Pic]

Hits: 10498 | Rating: (2.6) | Category: Misc. | Added by: Sweepofdeath
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Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 3:19:21 PM
teelelen, you guys always use that weasel statistic. What does it matter if murders are committed with guns or some other device? Total murder rate is the only true and fair way to actually know what is going on in a society.

The fact is that Switzerland has one of the lowest murder rates in Europe (.7/100k). That's less than Australia and England for certain. In fact, it's only higher than Iceland, Norway, and Austria. And actually, those countries have quite high rates of gun ownership too.

Also, look at my link down in a previous post that shows a picture showing zero correlation between gun ownership rates and your "gun" murders in American states. It just doesn't exist.


teelelen
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 32 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 3:03:17 PM
Switzerland does not have the lowest crime rate in the world, it actually has a higher gun crime rate than most other European countries...

keith2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2573 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 3:03:03 PM
It's all white people, of course.

Simbosan
Male, 40-49, Asia
 160 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 2:50:13 PM
@NNoamfer, you have met them. Most have guns, they just don't have wank fantasies about getting the chance to shoot people

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 2:18:37 PM
IRockYeah, not shiite Europe is a continent. But people talk about America vs Europe in generalities all the time. Europeans do this all the time, especially when they are not in Europe. It's not that big of a deal. The countries in Europe are about as diverse as the states in America are, anyways. Certainly our people are more diverse, though less total languages. We just have one federal government over all of them.

NNoamfer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1192 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 1:27:35 PM
As a Swiss living in Switzerland, I haven't met anyone with a gun yet. But at the same time, I only moved here recently, so I guess I have more to see.

nubblins
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 1753 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 1:21:59 PM
Europe might as well be a country, imo.

Your countries have about as much in common as our states do.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14515 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 1:11:42 PM
Do they know something we don't?

Don't say "we" unless unless there's another anticonstitutional liberal f***tard there with you.

onoffonoffon
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2146 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 1:02:38 PM
They focus all their energies on chocolate, knives, watches and money laundering.

IRockYeah
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2592 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:47:30 PM
Because they are chilled out, relaxed Europeans who don't want to invade countries half of their citizens haven't heard of.

PS Europe is a continent, not a country.

Pooptart19
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2290 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:35:26 PM
People are also less likely to kill each other if they're not poor. Poverty is a big factor.

danagamer
Male, 30-39, Western US
 695 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 11:17:11 AM
No crime? that's because they're all exactly the same race. They all think exactly the same, have the same needs, same values.

spanz
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 443 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 11:07:14 AM
hot babes with evil assault rifles? Never in the USA. Here dickless liberals would not allow it, it would scare them too much. Unless their therapy dogs were standing by, that is.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6099 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 10:50:04 AM
@ Robswindol: So if you want to use Switzerland's gun ownership as an example of how to reduce crime, you must also give credit to their stringent gun ownership laws.

Coupled with the fact they have less psycopaths walking the streets.

And before guns were invented there was zero gun crime anywhere in the world. What more proof do you want that guns should be banned?

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 10:46:59 AM
Everyone acts like America is one monolithic place, but some states are as safe as Europe (or safer), and some are like Mexico. Why is that?? Do people just like to ignore that? It seems totally relevant to the discussion. Actually, it's vital because it's perfect for a controlled analysis.

What makes Minnesota so different from Louisiana?

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 10:43:39 AM
Doesn't anyone notice this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.

RobSwindol
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2454 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 10:39:09 AM
Yet Switzerland doesn't give their citizens blanket gun ownership rights. In order to own a gun there, one must first submit a legitimate reason for wanting to own the gun, which is then reviewed by who? The Government... that's who. This is called gun control.

It's also important to note that a huge part of the reason that Switzerland has the amount of guns that they have is that they have mandatory military service, and the vast majority of this "gun ownership" you speak of is actually a matter of military members having possession of their issued firearms. But before they are given these firearms, they are trained how to use them by THE GOVERNMENT. Once again, this is a form of gun control that goes far beyond that of American gun control.

So if you want to use Switzerland's gun ownership as an example of how to reduce crime, you must also give credit to their stringent gun ownership laws.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 10:28:55 AM
Serbia has more guns than Switzerland and the same murder rate. 1/3 of Norwegian households have a gun, but they have a lower murder rate than Holland, where the ownership rate is almost nil.

Russia and Poland both have very strong gun control, among the strongest in Europe. In Russia, this has led to the highest murder rates on the continent (10/100k). In Poland, this has lead to some of the lowest on the continent (1/100k).

Lithuania also has strong gun control, but the highest murders (and suicides) in non-Russia Europe (6.6/100k).

The UK and Australia are usually exhibit A in gun control arguments, they both have few guns and murders at 1/100k. However, their murder rates were this before and after the law change. And it's the same rate as many US states that do have guns (New Hampshire, Minnesota, etc).

You can do this all day. No correlation exists. The world is DYNAMIC, not one-dimnesional.

danari
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 104 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 10:01:08 AM
There is much more to the story in Switzerland. They have very strong regulations. For a dose or reality, see this:
http://tinyurl.com/bowzkrn

Keyh
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 227 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:39:03 AM
In Switzerland, whenever a male is "of age" they are drafted into their militia, given a gun (I believe a Sig 550 or 552), and go through militia training.

That is a great idea, because Switzerland normally keeps to themselves and has excellent, non-interfering foreign policies. I wonder if that's why nobody bothers them...

Here's more info on it:

http://tinyurl.com/755e4

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2337 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:37:40 AM
@sweep of death, yeah they have a socialst and nazi history, discipline does wonders...

Fwoggie2
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1754 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:34:26 AM
It's to stop people having fun. The Swiss are not known for being a fun loving lot.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:30:01 AM
Yes, once again, no correlation between firearm rate and gun ownership exists. Places with many guns have both high and low crime, places with few guns have both high and low crime.

Dynamic analysis is good for you, it's good for me.

Sweepofdeath
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 259 Posts
Saturday, September 07, 2013 11:01:43 AM
Link: Switzerland [Pic] [Rate Link] - Do they know something we don't?

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